AA Bonuses Rebalancing

[TntAttack]

AA currently very strong and accurate. Suggested rebalancing bonuses and AOE effect.

Main AA of current nations

Flak 88 (Germany)
Cost 3
Attack 9
Range 7
Miss(*speed)

94mm QF AA (Britain)
Cost 2 -> 3
Damage 9
Range 7
miss(*speed)

Type99 88mm AA (Japan)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 7
miss(*speed)

Canon de 90mm 1939 (France)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 7
miss(*speed)

Cannon da 90/53 (Italy sprite available not ingame yet)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 8
Miss(*speed)

Proposed same bonuses for the above AA.

Bonuses:
+100%(+9) against fighter
+75%(+6) against dive bomber
+125%(+11) against torpedo bomber
+150%(+13) against fighter bomber
+175%(+15) against seaplane
+200%(+18) against planes bombers
+250%(+22) against heavy Bombers
+50%(+4) against jet

Total=Damage*Percent*Multiplier
Percent=80%, Multiplier 0.9
Damage to unit 1 AOE range tile away:
Against fighter =12
Against dive bomber =10
Against torpedo bomber =14
Against fight bombers =15
Against seaplane =17
Against plane bombers =19
Against heavy bombers =22
Against jet =9


As Russian AA has different base damage, I suggested a unique one for them with more bomber bonus damage
M1938 AA (Russia)
Cost 3
Attack 8
Range 6->7
Miss(*speed)
Bonuses:
+100%(+8) against fighter
+75%(+6) against dive bomber
+125%(+10) against torpedo bomber
+150%(+12) against fighter bomber
+225%(+18) against sea plane
+250%(+20) against planes bombers
+300%(+24) against heavy Bombers
+50%(+4) against jet

Total=Damage*Percent*Multiplier
Percent=80%, Multiplier 0.9
Damage to unit 1 AOE range tile away:
Against fighter =11
Against dive bomber =10
Against torpedo bomber =12
Against fight bombers =14
Against seaplane =18
Against plane bombers =20
Against heavy bombers =23
Against jet =8

For the smaller caliber AA of the nations

Cannone da 75/46 AA (Italy)
Cost 3 -> 2
Attack 8
Range 6
Miss(*speed)

Type88 75mm AA (Japan)
Cost 2
Damage 8
Range 6
Miss(*speed)

Cannon de 75 AA (France)
Cost 3 -> 2
Damage 8
Range 6
Miss(*speed)

Bonuses:
+75%(+6) against fighter
+50%(+4) against dive bomber
+100%(+8) against torpedo bomber
+125%(+10) against fighter bomber
+150%(+14) against sea plane
+200%(+16) against planes bombers
+225%(+18) against heavy Bombers
+25%(+2) against jet

Total=Damage*Percent*Multiplier
Percent=80%, Multiplier 0.9
Damage to unit 1 AOE range tile away:
Against fighter =10
Against dive bomber =8
Against torpedo bomber =11
Against fight bombers =12
Against seaplane =15
Against plane bombers =17
Against heavy bombers =18
Against jet =7


America AA main AA right now is lighter than other nations. Their heavy AA is heavier than other nations.

Bofors 40 AA
Cost 2
Damage 4
Range 5
Actions 2
Miss(*speed)

Bonuses:
+200%(+8) against fighter
+150%(+6) against dive bomber
+225%(+9) against torpedo bomber
+250%(+10) against fighter bomber
+275%(+11) against sea plane
+300%(+12) against planes bombers
+350%(+14) against heavy Bombers
+50%(+2) against jet


Total=Damage*Percent*Multiplier
Percent=80%, Multiplier 0.8
Damage to unit 1 AOE range tile away:
Against fighter =8
Against dive bomber =7
Against torpedo bomber =9
Against fight bombers =10
Against seaplane =10
Against plane bombers =11
Against heavy bombers =12
Against jet =4

AA 120 M1
Cost 3 ->4
Damage 12
Range 8
Miss(*speed)

Bonuses:
+100%(+12) against fighter
+75%(+9) against dive bomber
+125%(+15) against torpedo bomber
+150%(+18) against fighter bomber
+200(+24) against sea plane
+250%(+30) against planes bombers
+300%(+36) against heavy Bombers
+50%(+6) against jet


Total=Damage*Percent*Multiplier
Percent=80%, Multiplier 0.8
Damage to unit 1 AOE range tile away:
Against fighter =17
Against dive bomber =15
Against torpedo bomber =19
Against fight bombers =21
Against seaplane =25
Against plane bombers =30
Against heavy bombers =34
Against jet =12

[Stratego (dev)]

instead of miss please suggest lower damage -thanks!

[DreJaDe]

instead of miss please suggest lower damage -thanks!

I kinda agree with the idea of HEAVY AA being more AOE with miss chance. Its like fireball in aof where it deals same damage to an area (aoe) but just with miss chance...

Also, can we get explosion effects for heavy AA in aoww? I mean, they are supposed to explode in the air.

[TntAttack]

instead of miss please suggest lower damage -thanks!

Main AA of current nations - NO MISS Edition

Flak 88 (Germany)
Cost 3
Attack 9
Range 7

94mm QF AA (Britain)
Cost 2 -> 3
Damage 9
Range 7

Type99 88mm AA (Japan)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 7

Canon de 90mm 1939 (France)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 7

Cannon da 90/53 (Italy sprite available not ingame yet)
Cost 3
Damage 9
Range 8

Proposed same bonuses for the above AA.

250%(+22) against heavy bomber
200%(+18) against heavy bomber jet
170%(+15) against planes bomber
100%(+9) against planes bomber jet
90%(+8) against planes noncombat AND seaplanes
60%(+5) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
45%(+4) against fighter

For the smaller caliber AA of the nations

Cannone da 75/46 AA (Italy)
Cost 3 -> 2
Attack 8
Range 6

Type88 75mm AA (Japan)
Cost 2
Damage 8
Range 6

Cannon de 75 AA (France)
Cost 3 -> 2
Damage 8
Range 6

200%(+16) against heavy bomber
50%(+4) against heavy bomber jet
125%(+8) against planes bomber
25%(+2) against bomber jet
100%(+8) against planes noncombat AND seaplanes
75%(+6) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
50%(+4) against fighter

USA Heavy AA
12 damage
8 range

250%(+30) against heavy bomber
200%(+24) against heavy bomber jet
175%(+21) against planes bomber
125%(+15) against bomber jet
100%(+12) against planes noncombat AND seaplanes
75%(+9) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
50%(+6) against fighter


Bofors 40
4 damage
5 range
Action 2

250%(+10) against heavy bomber
75%(+3) against heavy bomber jet
175%(+7) against planes bomber
50%(+2) against bomber jet
150%(+6) against transports and seaplanes
125%(+5) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
100%(+4) against fighter


M1938 AA (Russia)
Cost 3
Attack 8
Range 6->7

300%(+24) against heavy bomber
200%(+16) against heavy bomber jet
225%(+18) against planes bomber
125%(+9) against bomber jet
100%(+8) against transports and seaplanes
75%(+5) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
50%(+4) against fighter


M1938 AA Upgraded (Russia)
Cost 3
Attack 8
Range 7->8

350%(+28) against heavy bomber
225%(+18) against heavy bomber jet
250%(+20) against planes bomber
175%(+14) against bomber jet
150%(+12) against transports and seaplanes
125%(+10) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
100%(+8) against fighter


Flak88 Upgraded (ideally to be the same template bonus for all main 3 turn AA upgrades)
9 damage
8 range

300%(+27) against heavy bomber
180%(+16) against heavy bomber jet
200%(+18) against planes bomber
170%(+15) against planes bomber jet
150%(+13) against planes noncombat AND seaplanes
120%(+10) against fighter bombers AND torpedo bombers
80%(+7) against fighter

[Jasondunkel]

We once agreed that the range should not be higher than 7 for weapons. This was decided across the board, i.e. for the ships and other guns.

you say that the heavy aa's are very strong. The moment they have a longer range, the heavy AAs become even more powerful.
do you want to make the heavy AA's weaker now?

At the moment most heavy bombers should be dead in 2-3 shots.
In doing so, we broke the dominance of the heavy bombers who had previously reduced everything to rubble.

what is the goal? that the heavy bombers are then dead with 3-4 rounds and the heavy bombers then become very, very powerful again?

I wouldn't make a difference between dive, fighter and torpedo planes, they are the same planes and always have a similar speed. the fighters are faster and therefore harder to hit.

In addition, at the moment we only see a kind of placeholder value for the AA units, the actual value is generated by the bonuses

stratego doesn't like probabilities

But with the large ranges of 6-7, I think the idea of working with probabilities is good.