New Structure: Catapult Tower IMPLEMENTED

[TheOrder971]

A catapult tower is a medieval siege weapon platform designed for launching large projectiles, such as rocks, stones, or even incendiary materials, over long distances with great force. These imposing structures typically featured a tall wooden tower with a strong base and a counterweight system. Catapult towers played a crucial role in historical warfare, enabling armies to breach fortress walls or defend their own positions. They were notable for their innovative engineering and strategic importance in medieval battles.

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Stats
HP: 110
Attack Power: 16
Range: 8
Minimum Range:2
Armor: 2
Pierce Armor: 8
Sight: 7
Carry Capacity: 1
Action/Turn: 2
Heal Rate: 8
Same Construct Affect, Mend Affect, and Mental Resistance.

Same Damage Bonuses But Also Additional Bonuses for Infantry class.
Bouns 75% - Damage +5 against - [Flesh and blood].

Please... we must be accepted.

[DreJaDe]

I think minimum range should be 3-4...

Should all towers really have carry cap? I guess it can have it...

[Stratego (dev)]

A catapult tower is a medieval siege weapon platform designed for launching large projectiles, such as rocks, stones, or even incendiary materials, ...

awesome image!

[TheOrder971]

Stats (Modifying)
HP: 110
Attack Power: 16
Range: 8
Minimum Range:3
Armor: 2
Pierce Armor: 8
Sight: 7
Carry Capacity: 1
Action/Turn: 2
Heal Rate: 8
Same Construct Affect, Mend Affect, and Mental Resistance.

Same Damage Bonuses But Also Additional Bonuses for Infantry class.
Bouns 75% - Damage +5 against - [Flesh and blood].

[b2198]

For both consistency and balancing in comparison to non-tower catapults and to other towers, I'd give it power range 1 (and it would be increased to 2 after researching area damage, since it should have the [Catapult] category), remove that bonus against [Flesh and blood], add a 15% Miss(*speed) chance, reduce action/turn to 1 and increase heal rate to 10.

Also, I think ideally it should start with 7 range and have an upgrade to increase it to 8 range (and finally get to 9 with advanced ballistics), similarly to the ballista tower and the cannon tower.

[godOfKings]

I think it can also get the transform to fire catapult and power range dmg reduction 30%

[DreJaDe]

For both consistency and balancing in comparison to non-tower catapults and to other towers, I'd give it power range 1 (and it would be increased to 2 after researching area damage, since it should have the [Catapult] category), remove that bonus against [Flesh and blood], add a 15% Miss(*speed) chance, reduce action/turn to 1 and increase heal rate to 10.

Also, I think ideally it should start with 7 range and have an upgrade to increase it to 8 range (and finally get to 9 with advanced ballistics), similarly to the ballista tower and the cannon tower.

I think its why its a tower... To have better range than its normal counterpart so asking for 8 range is justified.

Also... Didnt see that 2 turns lol. Yeah, that is something.

[DreJaDe]

I think it can also get the transform to fire catapult and power range dmg reduction 30%

Not sure if it needs a transformation but just a fire shot option.

[godOfKings]

Ok that works

[v094517]

Will there be an upgrade to the tower, like heavy ballista tower?
If not the higher initial range may be justified + the tower can be locked behind heavy catapult tech.

[b2198]

For both consistency and balancing in comparison to non-tower catapults and to other towers, I'd give it power range 1 (and it would be increased to 2 after researching area damage, since it should have the [Catapult] category), remove that bonus against [Flesh and blood], add a 15% Miss(*speed) chance, reduce action/turn to 1 and increase heal rate to 10.

Also, I think ideally it should start with 7 range and have an upgrade to increase it to 8 range (and finally get to 9 with advanced ballistics), similarly to the ballista tower and the cannon tower.

I think its why its a tower... To have better range than its normal counterpart so asking for 8 range is justified.

By that logic cannon towers should have 8 range unupgraded, and 9/10 range upgraded/after hoop-and-stave, making them even more spammed... towers don't need more range than their non-tower counterparts to be strong, as their advantage already comes in the form of being more durable and able to keep other units inside (and technically due to not requiring unit limits, but in practice units built by workers don't either, so there's that ).

Will there be an upgrade to the tower, like heavy ballista tower?
If not the higher initial range may be justified + the tower can be locked behind heavy catapult tech.

With this I agree.

[DreJaDe]

By that logic cannon towers should have 8 range unupgraded, and 9/10 range upgraded/after hoop-and-stave, making them even more spammed... towers don't need more range than their non-tower counterparts to be strong, as their advantage already comes in the form of being more durable and able to keep other units inside (and technically due to not requiring unit limits, but in practice units built by workers don't either, so there's that ).

Its not "should" its more like "could".

When I say "justified". Its more like it's "fine" to be like that. It's not an absolute like it "should" be like that. His suggestion is valid not any more than what you've said.

I know what you mean.

What I like about this suggestion more though is its obvious weakness in units getting close. If I'm going to be honest, I would like ballista towers to have this.

It not having an early AOE is also a nice touch for me. It's definitely an anti infantry but its not decisive.

[b2198]

Its not "should" its more like "could".

When I say "justified". Its more like it's "fine" to be like that. It's not an absolute like it "should" be like that. His suggestion is valid not any more than what you've said.

I know what you mean.

I see, fair enough.

[godOfKings]

Btw cannon tower have minimum range too

[Endru1241]

HP: 80->95
Attack Power: 16->19
Range: 7->8
Minimum Range:3
Armor: 2/4 -> 2/6
Sight: 7
Carry Capacity: 1
Action/Turn: 1
Heal Rate: 8
Miss Chance 15% * speed
AOE 24%->30% on 1 range, dropped by 70%->50% each tile further.
Damage bonuses copied from Catapult.

So basically identical to Cannon tower, but with carry of 1, instead of 2 and attack stats identical to Catapult.
Accessible faster than cannon tower and with splash damage on the same range (although higher miss chance against targets it's not having any bonuses for).
That's what I would go for.

[DreJaDe]

Still confused with the difference of mangonel to catapult but I think this idea have been forgotten.

You know, just trying to add since watching AOE4 plays. I want to suggest an addition to this which is "Mangonel Emplacement".

Researchable in advancement center or castle itself. Allows castles to have a mangonel shot costing all of its turn per shot.

[v094517]

The real difference is between Onager (ancient Catapult) and Traction Trebuchet (commonly referred to as Mangonel)? Onager uses stored energy in ropes (torsion) while Traction Trebuchet uses man-powered gravity.

Onagers could have a higher range, but required specialists to repair/make, and was less efficient in energy storage, reducing kinetic energy of projectile. It also required less manpower to use.

Traction trebuchets could be easily assembled from surrounding materials onsite, had shorter range but higher powered projectiles, and required many personnel pulling on ropes to lift the trebuchet arm on the other side.

[godOfKings]

i think castle treb shot does the job, we could give catapult shot to some other mega though, may b celt castle?

[DreJaDe]

i think castle treb shot does the job, we could give catapult shot to some other mega though, may b celt castle?

Different purpose here
Its more like anti infantry rather than counter artillery or anti siege.

[Sombrar +1]

How about also adding a ballista firing ability for megas from older civilizations like Greeks, Nordics, Celts perhaps?

So each mega would have its own additional particularity according to how each civilization was in the timeline.

[DreJaDe]

How about also adding a ballista firing ability for megas from older civilizations like Greeks, Nordics, Celts perhaps?

So each mega would have its own additional particularity according to how each civilization was in the timeline.

Oh yeah
Since Both castle and detinets already have theirs

[TheOrder971]

Wow. How do we implementing us? Thx guys.
I will see you soon for the next new unit called culverin.