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Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:08 am

Unit description: A peltast (Greek: πελταστής peltastes) was a type of light infantry, originating in Thrace and Paeonia, who often served as skirmishers in Hellenic and Hellenistic armies. In the Medieval period, the same term was used for a type of Byzantine infantryman.
Trained at : Barracks, towns.
Cost: 3
Hp: 12
Att: 4
Spd: 4
Armor: 0/4
Abilities:
Throw javelin
- 5 dmg
- 4 rng
Bonuses:
150% Mounted
180% Medium cavalry, Chariots
200% Heavy cavalry
300% Elephants

Categories:
Pole-arm wielder, anti-mounted, hellenic.
Affected by blacksmith infantry upgrades.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:30 pm

stats suggestion:
cost 2
hp 13
attack 6
range 1
armor 0/3
speed 4
sight 5

ability: throw javelin
power 4
range 3
cd 1 turn
bonuses:
+50% vs foot
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Re: Peltast

Post by Endru1241 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:07 pm

Right now we already have some hellenic archer, so I'd rather add peltast as classic skirmisher.
It doesn't even really need melee attack.

Making it anti-mounted is unnecessary and not really historical.
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:15 am

Peltast being a skirmisher? I'm fine with that.
Endru1241 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:07 pm
Making it anti-mounted is unnecessary and not really historical.
The reason why i made the first stats anti-mounted is because in AoS, Egyptian Peltast a map editor unit, has anti-mounted bonuses. And didn't research fully on what peltasts are before, so i kinda copied the idea of stats from that unit.
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:23 am

I'll create da image once i get some motivation.
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:12 am

Ok, and i got that motivation.

Here's the image. Can anyone make the stats? I have no idea how this unit will be unique from other existing skirmishers.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:37 pm

what about double action? i wanted it to be hybrid so it could be a mix of guerrilla and skimisher...this way it is unique, but maybe there is a better unit for that kind of role...
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:53 am

I already suggested a skirmisher with double action before. Celtic Skirmisher.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:33 am

its good how it is...one action helenic skirmisher...maybe a special trasit could be range? 4 range instead of normal 3...(sounds op i know...)
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:32 am

I guess more range than average skirmishers sounds good.

It isn't op though. Atl-atl Thrower, a primitive skirmisher has more range than 4 at base.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:43 am

Howmuch it costs?
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:45 am

Atl-atl? It costs 3 turns and is trained on Archery range and Primitive Huts.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:30 pm

then 4 range and 4 attack
i would like some bonuses against foot melee units...
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Re: Peltast

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:34 pm

So a hybrid with archer ?

It's gonna have some disadvantages in that case.
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:23 pm

not a hybrid, just a small bonus like 25% (+1)
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:53 pm

forget waht i said above just got a better idea (i think T_T)
just a normal skirmisher with
hp 7
attack 5
range 3
armour 0/3
speed 4
sight 5

but with an upgrade: iphicrates' peltast:
hp 10
attack 6
range 3
armour 1/5
speed 4
sight 5
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Re: Peltast

Post by Badnorth » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 am

Is this better than the basic 2 turn skirmisher with 3 upgrades?
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:40 pm

well, master skirmisher (2nd tier):
hp 10
attack 5
range 4
armour 0/6

peltast would have same attack and hp, 1 less range, and +1/-1 armour, i think its balanced...
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Re: Peltast

Post by L4cus » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:42 pm

new stat suggestion:
cost 2
hp 7
attack 4
range 4
armour 0/3
speed 4
sight 4
same bonuses as skirmisher

generic skirmisher stats
hp 8
attack 4
range 3
armour 0/5

velites stats:
hp 10
attack 5
range 3
armour 0/2
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