Welsh Bowman (Saethwr) IMPLEMENTED

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Welsh Bowman (Saethwr) IMPLEMENTED

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The traditional view that the longbow was invented in Wales before being perfected by the English seems to be incorrect (possibly began by a bit of artistic license exercised by Shakespeare), although Welsh bowmen did frequently make up large portions of English archers, in particular during the 100 years war, but using English built longbows.

Before this, however, archery was prevalent in Wales, but using a shorter bow normally made of elm rather than the standard yew of longbows. No physical evidence survives, but contempory accounts, notably Gerald of Wales, record that although they had a shorter range, these bows packed a hell of a punch. They were often used in Ambush tactics where range was not so much of an issue.

Saethwr (archer in Welsh)
Cost 3
Hp 15
Attack 7
Range 5
Armour 0/0
Standard archer bonus +50% Vs Light and Medium Foot Melee and Flying
But also +40% Vs Heavy Foot Melee and Heavy Cavalry
(Stats edited to fit with Endru's recommendations)
Affected by warpaint and blacksmith upgrades

"In the war against the Welsh, one of the men of arms was struck by an arrow shot at him by a Welshman. It went right through his thigh, high up, where it was protected inside and outside the leg by his iron chausses, and then through the skirt of his leather tunic; next it penetrated that part of the saddle which is called the alva or seat; and finally it lodged in his horse, driving so deep that it killed the animal" (Gerald of Wales)

This unit would also be affected by Ambush ability should it be accepted.
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It would be affected by both warpaint and archery, so power should be lowered to 7.
There is also no reason for bonus vs medium cavalry, unless global correction was made for all anti-heavy.
Also to keep consistency +40% bonus could be used.
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Ah OK, for some reason I just assumed warpaint only affected melee... Possibly cos that's all we have atm. But yeah, all good, I was just going for highest damage I could possibly get away with given its shorter range
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I like it.
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Can I try making the img?
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I used this as a reference.

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Changed a couple things.
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Nice, thanks guys, good images. I like Quaddy's wild man of the woods look - could you lighten it up a little bit?
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I recolored it a little to make it brighter.
Do you think it's not too far from original idea?
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Endru1241 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:55 pm I recolored it a little to make it brighter.
Do you think it's not too far from original idea?
I think mine was too dark but I only copied it from the reference. so Imo not so much. Maybe dyeing his hair red or light brown? The hair matches his clothing.
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I wanted to make him ginger. So I'd rather increase red value. Tomorrow.
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Ok.
Cheapest anti-heavy archer seems to be ready.
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Endru1241 wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:18 am Ok.
Cheapest anti-heavy archer seems to be ready.
Nice

Im not quite sure what you changed? Seems the same :?:
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Image has now hair color much more shifted towards red.
Even on poor color screens it shoudn't be mistaken with attire.
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Hi,

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Looks better.

Endru since we have many attempts of saethwr could we use those ones as skins?
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You really like celtic culture quadru
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Not much, I just like how they fight back then in the ancient times. Plus the celts lack units. There are only gallowglass, highlander, gaelic fighter and celtic warrior.
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