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Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Spear_snake » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:21 am

The 3 most common wepions on a vican badifeild was the axe, Spear and bows/arrows.
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Cost 3
Hp 12
Attack power 6
Range 5
Armor 0
Pierce armor 5
Speed 4
Action /tern 1/1
Mental resistances 20
Bonus damage
+3 to. Light/medium/heavy foot melee, flying, light calvary
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Spear_snake » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:21 am

Will some one reply it has been 3 days. :shock:
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:38 am

Spear_snake wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:21 am
The 3 most common wepions on a vican badifeild was the axe, Spear and bows/arrows.
Stats
Cost 3
Hp 12
Attack power 6
Range 5
Armor 0
Pierce armor 5
Speed 4
Action /tern 1/1
Mental resistances 20
Bonus damage
+3 to. Light/medium/heavy foot melee, flying, light calvary
Archers, by fact are non armor piercing, while the crossbow can in reality.

The idea is not clear enough. Do you want an archer with arrows,axe throw and spear all at a time . I am afraid if it is even acceptable.

And if i can interpret, although may seem useless
Cost 5
Hp 30
Att 10
Rng 4
Arm 0/5
Speed 3
MR 40%
At archery range

Skirmisher bonuses.

This can do exactly the same thing you said earlier, but as a heavy duty javelin thrower.

Cat: heavy foot, ranged, anti-archers,
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by godOfKings » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:28 am

Dont we have an Scandinavian archer that can also use melee axe?
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:29 am

godOfKings wrote:
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Dont we have an Scandinavian archer that can also use melee axe?
Thats actually a melee axeman, who wields a backup fire bow.
The raider archer.😎
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Spear_snake » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:18 am

Sorry it is a fact that axes spears and bows were the most common, and we needed more of these. I was thinking a archer that could peirce armer with a special arrow called the bodkin point.
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Badnorth » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:24 am

Crossbows were the ones used to pierce armor, bows will have a hard time piercing one.
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:43 am

Ah, the chiselled arrows, the Bodkin. it is common around the medieval times.
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:48 am

Cost 4
Hp 25
Att 7
Rng 4(bodkin were one among the heaviest arrows to be fired using bows)
Arm 2/4
Speed 3
MR 40%
At archery range

No bonus. Neglect armour

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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:54 am

But i think it should be another merc with leaving 4
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Spear_snake » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:58 am

They were shot with both bow and crossbow but the crossbow were not used in war fair until the 1400s and the Viking ear/age ended in the 1000s
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by godOfKings » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:03 am

If leaving then cost can b 3 turns
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:05 am

Cost 3
Hp 20
Att 7
Rng 4(bodkin were one among the heaviest arrows to be fired using bows)
Arm 2/3
Speed 3
MR 40%
At archery range

Active effects
Leaving (4)

No bonus. Neglect armour

Cat: medium foot, ranged, archers, armour penetrating.
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Badnorth » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:21 am

Stats look nice, i don't know what the heavy foot melee category is for though.
Archers category is already a big disadvantage, i don't think adding it is necessary.
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by godOfKings » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:11 am

without archers category how will ordinary skirmisher kill it? now that i think about it, isnt it op against skirmisher? no matter how heavy the arrow, even if pierces through shield it is only rarely going all the way through, should unarmored and heavy armored infantry both really get same damage from arrows?
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Hyuhjhih » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:19 am

godOfKings wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:11 am
without archers category how will ordinary skirmisher kill it? now that i think about it, isnt it op against skirmisher? no matter how heavy the arrow, even if pierces through shield it is only rarely going all the way through, should unarmored and heavy armored infantry both really get same damage from arrows?
Even normal skirmisher can survive a hit from it.

How about miss*speed or miss*armour for taking account of heavy and light foot melee. (I won't appreciate it though)
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by godOfKings » Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:02 am

instead of ignore armor, just give it same bonus as crossbow with higher damage and lower range for heavy arrow
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Endru1241 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:41 pm

godOfKings wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:02 am
instead of ignore armor, just give it same bonus as crossbow with higher damage and lower range for heavy arrow
Exactly.
I don't want any ranged unit with ingore armor spec, because they could be used against things, that are supposed to be virtually indestructible by ranged attacks (e.g. structures).

And on the whole - Nordic culture or their later descendants were never really known for any exceptional ranged weapons technology, nor speciality.
Raider is already great representation of one thing related to missile warfare that could be said about nordic warriors - many or most used bow, when needed.

As for introducing this as universal unit - is there really a point with existing anti-armor shooters, being better representation?
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Spear_snake » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:44 pm

what if there were bonus damage agents heavy and medium / Calvary and foot. that way they could not do lots of damage on structures. but still armor pierce 1
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Re: Scandinavian armor piercing archer

Post by Badnorth » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:07 pm

Spear_snake wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:44 pm
what if there were bonus damage agents heavy and medium / Calvary and foot. that way they could not do lots of damage on structures.
It was already proposed by GoK that it should be Crossbow Bonuses. Which is the exactly same as your suggestion.
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