Roman Mega Building

[L4cus]

i was thinking that we could have mariam reforms tech that allows legionaries production, 3 turns is ok for them, but, they should be quite better than regular 3 turn units since they would need mariam reforms tech... just an idea, though...

[Endru1241]

Tried to make 2nd concept a little more close to looking roman, but not sure the effects.

[L4cus]

looks like the fort size...btw is this structure able to produce ancient mercenaries?

[Endru1241]

I only changed height.

It was already designed to be 2x2.

Mercenaries:
Why not?

[L4cus]

yeah yeah, ancient ones:
-cretan archer
-balearic slinger
-thracian phalxman
-is there any other?

[DreJaDe]

yeah yeah, ancient ones:
-cretan archer
-balearic slinger
-thracian phalxman
-is there any other?

What about Crusader?

Didn't they use to call for Crusader until the Crusader got enough of the romans?

[SirPat]

yeah yeah, ancient ones:
-cretan archer
-balearic slinger
-thracian phalxman
-is there any other?

What about Crusader?

Didn't they use to call for Crusader until the Crusader got enough of the romans?

those were the holy roman empire I believe and not the romans, not sure tho

[L4cus]

if we get bizantine barracks they could hire crusades

[Endru1241]

But byzantine is much more of a hellenic, than roman culture.

Although it doesn't fit gymnasion at all.

[DreJaDe]

Not sure where to out this.

So the story is
I have nothing to do so I made this.

I kinda want it as skin for castle but... It's not a castle.

It was supposed to be a Roman Fort.
But it's 96x96
So not that also

So another idea is map editor unit.
Honestly, I kinda wanted to make a campaign for the Romans. And this building would be nice.

Might even draw a roman worker than can build them.

So if it's map editor
Ts stats would be
Cost to make: 14-16
HP: 750-800
Atk: 6
Range: 6
Armor: 2
R. Armor: 7
Turns: 3

(Funny idea is to just make it a melee with 10+ damage)

Carry capacity 4-5
Heal rate: 10

Aura: Roman coordination, high morale

Build list is most of the roman units beside senator a while adding ballista at it.

[DreJaDe]

I forgot to put the image

[phoenixffyrnig]

Dre, you seem to be the Roman's champion at the moment. I found this suggestion in the archives of a previous all-encompassing discussion - ie I'm not taking something from it's own specific thread this time (credit to Squirrel)

To further buff the Roman's, could legionnaires (sic) get the ability to build roads or wooden forts of some kind?

The roads got included, but I couldn't find any any feedback for the wooden fort suggestion, do you think it would be something that would help the Romans? In my mind it'd be a basic fortified camp, no production, probably garrisoned unit takes damage (like ruined fortress) but with defence boost - or acting more like a tower without ranged attack - built by legionaries for when they are out and about.

Anyway, to your post - a roman campaign would be good I think, help make them more popular. I've met very few Roman generals in MP.
Does 96*96 mean it's 3x3 on the map itself?

[DreJaDe]

The thing is...
Roman could actually already make them now. That's actually the only reason why I'm not suggesting them already (well there's also the other reason)

I think if I remember correctly, there is this case that endru said that he doesn't want wooden garrison. Might be my imagination but j seriously think someone said that here.


Yes, 96x96 is 3x3 in-game.

[L4cus]

there is already a roman topic for a mega building, i think iots called roman castrum...is ur idea any different?

[DreJaDe]

there is already a roman topic for a mega building, i think iots called roman castrum...is ur idea any different?

The initial idea is a castle skin, as I said. But found our that it's not a castle.

[Endru1241]

Merged.
With production this is clearly mega building.

Two notes:
- There is no need to create specific workers to build one or two things. Alternative workers would need to be different in other stats and have some reasoning why (in balance mainly).
- I don't recall any mention of fort/camp without production anywhere in new structures propositions. Tower without an attack could be very interesting addition.
There was auxilae outpost, but I was never against making it.
I am generally against:
- any building build on forest/hills having garrison allowing movement of units normally not capable of moving through such terrain
- anything with production, but not counted as factory
- anything protecting unit (completely, not by aura bonus), but allowing construction from inside
- anything counted as factory, but with not enough reason of existence (since making priory, seeing it as a mistake)

[DreJaDe]

Merged.
With production this is clearly mega building.

Two notes:
- There is no need to create specific workers to build one or two things. Alternative workers would need to be different in other stats and have some reasoning why (in balance mainly).
- I don't recall any mention of fort/camp without production anywhere in new structures propositions. Tower without an attack could be very interesting addition.
There was auxilae outpost, but I was never against making it.
I am generally against:
- any building build on forest/hills having garrison allowing movement of units normally not capable of moving through such terrain
- anything with production, but not counted as factory
- anything protecting unit (completely, not by aura bonus), but allowing construction from inside
- anything counted as factory, but with not enough reason of existence (since making priory, seeing it as a mistake)

Just to clear out
-the idea for the 3v3 mega building is only for map editor unit.
-same is true for worker since I cannot see how it can be done with normal workers being able to build them only in campaigns. I don't think there's any effect to add a structure to the build list of a worker. So instead, I suggested a map editor worker than can build them. Hmmm, maybe the other map editor worker can do the job.

I might have misunderstood this point

No wood structures with carry.
Ability to remove woods were brought to avoid that.

But for me, it meant that you didn't want any wooden garrison.

[L4cus]

Merged.
With production this is clearly mega building.

Two notes:
- There is no need to create specific workers to build one or two things. Alternative workers would need to be different in other stats and have some reasoning why (in balance mainly).
- I don't recall any mention of fort/camp without production anywhere in new structures propositions. Tower without an attack could be very interesting addition.
There was auxilae outpost, but I was never against making it.
I am generally against:
- any building build on forest/hills having garrison allowing movement of units normally not capable of moving through such terrain
- anything with production, but not counted as factory
- anything protecting unit (completely, not by aura bonus), but allowing construction from inside
- anything counted as factory, but with not enough reason of existence (since making priory, seeing it as a mistake)

For tower without attack i was thinking of "atalay" capable of garriaoning ranged units boosting their attack and range maybe at the cost that its capturable and units inside get the damage instead of atalay, only empty atalay woudl get damage

Auxilae outpost? Forgot about it jeje, i think with mega and roman garrison is enought, but if there the will of someone to make the image plus time and will to make the json (i can do it if u ask me) then i think it would be a good adition...

[Endru1241]

Merged.
With production this is clearly mega building.

Two notes:
- There is no need to create specific workers to build one or two things. Alternative workers would need to be different in other stats and have some reasoning why (in balance mainly).
- I don't recall any mention of fort/camp without production anywhere in new structures propositions. Tower without an attack could be very interesting addition.
There was auxilae outpost, but I was never against making it.
I am generally against:
- any building build on forest/hills having garrison allowing movement of units normally not capable of moving through such terrain
- anything with production, but not counted as factory
- anything protecting unit (completely, not by aura bonus), but allowing construction from inside
- anything counted as factory, but with not enough reason of existence (since making priory, seeing it as a mistake)

Just to clear out
-the idea for the 3v3 mega building is only for map editor unit.
-same is true for worker since I cannot see how it can be done with normal workers being able to build them only in campaigns. I don't think there's any effect to add a structure to the build list of a worker. So instead, I suggested a map editor worker than can build them. Hmmm, maybe the other map editor worker can do the job.

I might have misunderstood this point

No wood structures with carry.
Ability to remove woods were brought to avoid that.

But for me, it meant that you didn't want any wooden garrison.

There is isNeedMapGrant=true.
E.g. barrage tower is working like that.

Merged.
With production this is clearly mega building.

Two notes:
- There is no need to create specific workers to build one or two things. Alternative workers would need to be different in other stats and have some reasoning why (in balance mainly).
- I don't recall any mention of fort/camp without production anywhere in new structures propositions. Tower without an attack could be very interesting addition.
There was auxilae outpost, but I was never against making it.
I am generally against:
- any building build on forest/hills having garrison allowing movement of units normally not capable of moving through such terrain
- anything with production, but not counted as factory
- anything protecting unit (completely, not by aura bonus), but allowing construction from inside
- anything counted as factory, but with not enough reason of existence (since making priory, seeing it as a mistake)

For tower without attack i was thinking of "atalay" capable of garriaoning ranged units boosting their attack and range maybe at the cost that its capturable and units inside get the damage instead of atalay, only empty atalay woudl get damage

Auxilae outpost? Forgot about it jeje, i think with mega and roman garrison is enought, but if there the will of someone to make the image plus time and will to make the json (i can do it if u ask me) then i think it would be a good adition...

Is archer range something we actually need for balance?
It would become default place for longbowmen making them 10 range.
And arising question why towers are not having the same boost.

[L4cus]

U right...maybe just a platform for archers like mantelet...could rise sight

[L4cus]

i want to think there is a reason or this is a mistake: hwacha aviable at roman castrum
there is also threbuchet, but that can be understanded...