Spacious elephant castle IMPLEMENTED

[godOfKings]

Requires: spacious chariots

Description: After successfully developing the spacious chariots, blacksmiths have become more ambitious and set their eyes on elephants.

Cost: 5 turns
Builder: Blacksmith
Capacity: +1
Category: Elephant
Carried unit survives if i die: false (i.e garrisoned unit will die with the elephant)
Carry category: foot (no healer, worker or misc)

(Also suggested change to spacious chariot:
No spell res increase
Tech cost: 3 turns)

[phoenixffyrnig]

I like it. Elephants need something to make them a bit more viable. At the moment, too easily converted or countered by just a couple of halberdiers.

Because the counters are so cheap and easy, atm Elephants only work as a surprise attack - as a long term strategy it is too easy to counter.

I think you're right, I think it should be both resistance boost and carry capacity or they will still be too easily countered.

Are you thinking just for the War Elephant / Heavy War Elephant or the mahout as well (which begins with 50% resistance?)

Btw - do we need a better name for the upgraded elephant rather than sticking the word Heavy on the front? I imagine the basic elephant is also rather heavy

[Aral_Yaren]

Hm... Elite War Elephant sounds good,

[godOfKings]

Wen i said elephant, i meant every elephant with the elephant category (including mahout) just like both chariot and chariot archer gets affected by spacious chariots tech (may b not elephant cannon if its too op...)

[godOfKings]

Btw - do we need a better name for the upgraded elephant rather than sticking the word Heavy on the front? I imagine the basic elephant is also rather heavy

Heavy basically means it is wearing more heavy armors which translates to higher hp for elephant

[Badnorth]

I support this idea. Elephants will become more useful once they have this in it. New cards to play can be great.
Though it will be a pain in the arse to take down an elephant with a powerful archer in it.

[godOfKings]

It would take 13 turns in a blacksmith to unlock it when there r already many other techs to unlock

[Badnorth]

It would take 13 turns in a blacksmith to unlock it when there r already many other techs to unlock

i suppose it is long enough, from my view elephants are underused anyway so i think they need this ability for a change.

Since being on an elephant will provide a tall platform and all i think they the foot units up there could have an additional 1 sight upon mount.
i think the elephants will need an image to show the platform is occupied don't you think? i think it will be confusing. Maybe like a big red dot or smt.

[godOfKings]

I dont think u need it, do u see battering ram, wagon, chariot or siege tower occupied image?

[Hyuhjhih]

I dont think u need it, do u see battering ram, wagon, chariot or siege tower occupied image?

Stratego has already commented a possibility of capacity indicator http://www.ageofstrategy.net/viewtopic. ... a9#p117348

A +1 view and +1 range for ranged carried units can be good. But there should not be attack to melee troops other than pikeman(pikeman ranged 2) and a -1 range penalty for them to compensate for the higher height of platform

[godOfKings]

Then wat about siege tower, or any basic tower and castle? They r all taller and higher than elephant, stats increase should only b given to ranged elephant units as long as its balanced without affecting capacity

[Endru1241]

I need to comment 2 things here:
- I plan to split conversion resistance from carry capacity. It is actually a relict of times, when converting unit with carried units made bugs. And even carrying 1 unit with 0 resistance makes conversion harder, because both units has to be converted at once, so even 0.7 chance turns out 0.49 for 2 units with 0 res.
- No changing stats on carried units if carrier can go to TC. Current way - 0 range aura affects all units in tile, so it would too easily become op in TC.

[godOfKings]

I dont plan on any stat increase aura, as for conversion resistance, it could b a bonus to match cost of upgrade tech (as its permanent even without carrying unit) since even with loyalty a successful attempt can reduce hp to 1 (and siege tower priest combo is really good late game + plus 5 attempts can reduce resistance to 0)

Otherwise we can also remove resistance completely (from both this and chariot tech) and may b reduce tech cost a little (if we go this path then my suggestion for chariot tech is 3 cost without s.r increase and elephant tech is 5 cost without s.r increase, notice that healers, workers etc. units cannot b carried by chariot and elephant)

[Endru1241]

I was exactly thinking of decreasing the cost of tech along with removing mental resist increase.
For fighting vs priests resistant units can be carried (resistance of carrier and carried units is summed ).

[Endru1241]

Implemented with 6 turns.
But it's researchable in stables too.