Berserker is too strong.

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Berserker is too strong.

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I just noticed berserker has his hp up to 24. Isn't that too strong for a 4 turn unit?
Maybe removing his melee armor would make him balanced?
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som time ago, u tried to make it stronger...now its too strong xd
mmh legionary has 25 hp and its a 4 turns unit with 3/2 armor and good techs for improvements...
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I'll have to disagree with you there...

Berserker is unable to Insta kill a skirmisher when caught out of rage... Which can be up to 3 turns at a time now...

Stats are weak and now he HAS to have rage to be effective...
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I have a campaign map with bersekers and they dominate everything when in a berserk state. Idk if it is because of the bards or in general they are too strong....maybe they really are balanced..
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L4cus wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:34 pm som time ago, u tried to make it stronger...now its too strong xd
mmh legionary has 25 hp and its a 4 turns unit with 3/2 armor and good techs for improvements...
Wait, did I ? It seems that this new berserkers are stronger than the previous ones.. in berserk state they are fatal to most infantry and cavalry also when a bard is nearby it is waay stronger. All Roman units are quite balanced for me.
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Erm Roman units don't get smithing upgrades...

This kinda leaves them as an afterthought come late game...
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StormSaint373 wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:22 pm Erm Roman units don't get smithing upgrades...

This kinda leaves them as an afterthought come late game...
They aren't affected? But I think as compensation for that have techs to buff them ? Legion training and legion missile tactics? Plus a centurion? Mmmmm maybe you are right. They will become weak compared to other units in late game since they aren't affected by smiths.
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they arent really. once youve researched legion training they get more armor than most units
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SirPat wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:56 pm they arent really. once youve researched legion training they get more armor than most units
Yeah, I think it was bugged at the time because I couldn't find a logical, predictable pattern, but using wagons, towers, centurions, castles and other buildings or transports, me and another guy between us managed to get legionaries with +11, +12 - maybe even more. Cant remember what the maxi was, but enough to not need anymore boni.
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same with companion cavalry the max of which is like +17 dmg so yeah hhhahahhahaha thats alot a dmg and yeah I guess that must be a bug or maybe this is really how effective their tactics are
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