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Besides spartan. There doesn't seem to be any cheap melee unit available for the Greeks.

I suggest for the light hoplite to do the job. I don't think there's any imbalance in that.
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i didnt know spartan was a cheap unit jeje

i suggest adding akonstatai, since low class people in greek society used to carry the skirmisher role, we can keep the main factory for real citizen units

btw i was thinking and there are two certain options for greek supporter: a hoplite style foot commander or companion cavalry style mounted commander, i bring this topic because hellenic obviously lack of this kind of unit
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There is also option for philosophers and i think fire siphon related techs should also belong to hellenic, philosophers could either have buffs for infantry or mathematical genius related buff for siege
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I do not think that philosophy of greeks must be in form of philosopher units.
It will be better to make it in form of tech unique to greek units.
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For buffs we could pick some iconic temple priests.
Maybe Apollo priestess?

Oracle as first buff coming into mind.
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godOfKings wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:49 pm There is also option for philosophers and i think fire siphon related techs should also belong to hellenic, philosophers could either have buffs for infantry or mathematical genius related buff for siege
maths were not that advanced i think...
it would be more of conversion specialist? maybe demoralize spell as well?
Endru1241 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:34 pm For buffs we could pick some iconic temple priests.
Maybe Apollo priestess?

Oracle as first buff coming into mind.
maybe two stages of hellenic culture: first pre socratic, with oracles and classical units, and then a post socratic with propper hellenic units and philosopher (i would preffer sophist instead)
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Endru1241 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:34 pm For buffs we could pick some iconic temple priests.
Maybe Apollo priestess?

Oracle as first buff coming into mind.
That sounds MUCH better.
As for philosophy — it might be a tech exclusive to Greece that improves some way mechanical units. Probably decreasing attack chance will be good variant.
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L4cus wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:31 pm
godOfKings wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:49 pm There is also option for philosophers and i think fire siphon related techs should also belong to hellenic, philosophers could either have buffs for infantry or mathematical genius related buff for siege
maths were not that advanced i think...
it would be more of conversion specialist? maybe demoralize spell as well?
Endru1241 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:34 pm For buffs we could pick some iconic temple priests.
Maybe Apollo priestess?

Oracle as first buff coming into mind.
maybe two stages of hellenic culture: first pre socratic, with oracles and classical units, and then a post socratic with propper hellenic units and philosopher (i would preffer sophist instead)
Anything with stages is a problem, because of no real precedent to ever remove/replace units.
Only upgrade is acceptable and there is no freaking way to tie it with upgrades.
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L4cus wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:04 pm i didnt know spartan was a cheap unit jeje

i suggest adding akonstatai, since low class people in greek society used to carry the skirmisher role, we can keep the main factory for real citizen units

btw i was thinking and there are two certain options for greek supporter: a hoplite style foot commander or companion cavalry style mounted commander, i bring this topic because hellenic obviously lack of this kind of unit
Skirmisher for me are different things altogether.

In terms of buffs. I agree with oracles and priests.

Like some god of war's blessing or basically any Greek God + blessing trope.
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maybe with the name of gods?
like ares blessing: +2 attack +1/+1 armor
zeus blessing: +1 attack +1/+0 armor +100% CR
hermes blessing: +0/+1 armor +1 speed

idk something like that?

about stages, i just though of something like sophist as unit that comes upgraded into philosopher with something like "socrates' teachings" idk
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So priestess can use different god's blessings to buff individual units, as for maths, archimedes had his eureka moment while having a bath, it was time for many mathematical and technological discoveries, even now scientists use greek alphabet to denote mathematical terms which shows the influence ancient greece had in modern mathematics
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Infkuence of an alphabet doesnt mean that they did have great advances in maths, they did anyway, but mainly i think for architecture purposes, nothing special that rome could have, so if they would have any special bonus for siege that would be shared with roman culture.
Anyway i did found a concept of siege used in grrek warfare i think it was "poliertikiti" dont really remember though...
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