Pz.Sfl.IVc IMPLEMENTED

[ZakTheBuilder1]

A panzer IV with a 88 flak gun platform. When then platform is folded up it looks like a box with tracks and it can shoot the way its facing. When it folds out it can shoot planes and tanks in all directions

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

It can be too OP... but if maybe we give it a higher turn cost and a penalty of transition between AA to AT (like the flaks), it can work

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Yes its like a mobile flak 88 that was actually made. Only three prototypes were manufactured.

The Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVc, the "Toaster,"

[HauptmannHorst]

Great idea it would be a perfect addition between fixed aa and mobile "Wirbelwind"

But the gun needs to consume 1 turn to level up and down or its to OP!

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Yes that's what I was thinking BTW it has no armor so its not tanky

[HauptmannHorst]

Maybe only against common rifles some cover?

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Its up to you its just thin metal that is a platform for the gun to turn up and around

[HauptmannHorst]

Could someone please draw a prototype for this tank?
pls

[ZakTheBuilder1]

I wish I knew how and I know what it looks like folded and unfolded. Here's a link for the a top/side view

content://com.android.chrome.FileProvider/images/screenshot/1607358764272-1842085196.png

[ZakTheBuilder1]

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/File:Anno ... fl_IVc.png


If the link doesn't work just look up flak panzer toaster lol

[Jasondunkel]

intressting tank

[HauptmannHorst]

I believe when the gun is oriented towards air targets then the the side and rear plates are folded to the outside.(?)

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Here is what it looks like unfolded

https://images.app.goo.gl/NFH9KAda6zdXEsH99

It was hard to find

[HauptmannHorst]

Looks good how about the stats?

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

I truly don't know... maybe something similar to the current german SPAA, with more attack power but less health overall.

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

1 more speed should be good i guess.
it should have really low armor too.

[HauptmannHorst]

Range of 2 on ground and 8 against Plazes?

[HauptmannHorst]

*planes

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

I agree with the plane range but i don't know with the tank range.
It can became like a anti-everything

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Yeah it is a flak round that explodes so it could do damage to buildings, the range for ground should be at least three because of it being used as a tank destroyer

[HauptmannHorst]

I agree because it wields a 8.8 and all Tanks with such a gun have a range of 2 and pak 43 as well

[HauptmannHorst]

But ground range of 3 or more so und be OP
Also you have to keep in mind that it need one turn to level the gun so its always unprotected from one area and has no armour

[ZakTheBuilder1]

And the fact that it snipes planes so why not tanks

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

But still is too much if we put that Range then we will need to nerf other thing to make some balance.

[Veritum Nazarenvs]

Imagine facing a couple of those things in a early game.

[ZakTheBuilder1]

Well I think they should be fair and also you get it when u reach tier two

[ZakTheBuilder1]

You get it in tier two so its not early game and two range for ground targets
Eight maybe seven range for air targets
4 turn cost
3 speed
Same damage a flak 88
Paper thin armor
Turn cost to transform from AA to AT
It seems bout right

[HauptmannHorst]

Sounds good

[HauptmannHorst]

Can anybody draw a prototype I'm horrible at painting

[HauptmannHorst]

Is somebody on it? (No pressure)