PRI#9 Healer builder ACCEPTED_SOLUTION

[Stratego (dev)]

Some siege/war machines like zeppelins cannons can be constructed/repair by healers - if you leave healer near (no more than 2 tiles) and leave him action in end of turn he will restore hp to this machine. So you can build mortars for one turn help this bug.

[Stratego (dev)]

makaw:

Healers able to repair with ability mechanical units:

We are fixing this bug but it reappears over and over again... I think it will be 8th or 9th time we are trying to finally fix it.
@Savra.

[Stratego (dev)]

good! so a bug to fix.

ACCEPTED_SOLUTION

[Stratego (dev)]

please help me me with example units (exact unit names) that is in latest update works like this.
as i have checked many and the bug does not coming.

thanks!

daniel

ps: there was a duplicate topic so i have deleted the other

[Stratego (dev)]

please help me me with example units so i can fix! - thanks!

[Vladneral]

Dwarf healers can "heal" cannons and underconstruction also he can "heal" battle zeppelins also. I think the problem in this war machines cause healers from other races too can do it if dwarf his ally.

[diesel]

dwarf healers also have a "mend" ability right now that heals units not mends

[makazuwr32]

In case of cannons specifically:
Those are counted as unique to them type of healable mechanical units so poison works on them while burning doesn't.

In case of zeppelins — it is a bug.

[Stratego (dev)]

Are you referring to eg. "Dwarf Priest"? (please use exact unit names so i can find easily)

if so than i am confused :
1. this unit has only healing as "default" action
2. this unit has 2 effects one called healing other called mending
so maybe this unit should really mend other units? (as it has an ability literally for that)

if so why it is problem it can mend?

(i see that a flying ornithopter should not be mended - but that will be excuded from valid targets )

[Stratego (dev)]

also i see other problem: dwarf cannons must not be "healable" as they are currently. ONLY mendable.
as they can be constructed too so maybe healer heals them because of this.

[makazuwr32]

He heals them because they have an operator who is alive.
Fullmetal cannons can't be damaged that easy, especially by fire since they are strengthened by runes. But those runes are bound to operator of cannon and thus when he dies cannon is self destroyed.

Anyway those cannons MUST be exactly HEALABLE, not mendable once they are fully constructed.
But while under construction they must not be healable.

[Stratego (dev)]

ok but that is impossible by engine limitation as i wrote erlier, so i have to remove the healing option as they MUST NOT be healable if they are constructible too.
(operator is no problem, we can "model" that the cannon got damaged itself not the operator)

[makazuwr32]

Is it possible to deny targeting under construction units for healing spell?

It is actually important since elves will also have several constructible alive plant units. Those units may be constructed but when they are finished they must not be mendable but healable.

[Stratego (dev)]

currently not, that is the problem.

[Stratego (dev)]

wait is that the healing "spell"?
i thought the default healing.

[makazuwr32]

If needed we may edit that "default healing" as we need.

My main concern is to disable targeting under construction units and buildings.

Same problem actually is with woodshaper and his 20% heal spell for buildings — it must not be able to target under construction units.

If this "not targeting under construction units" will be solved than we do not need to make cannons not healable, can fix woodshaper and implement some constructible plant units for elves.

[makazuwr32]

currently not, that is the problem.

Side question:
Is it possible to disable targeting unit if unit has some specific effect on it?
And can this effect have 0 duration so when unit is constructed effect automatically ends and unit becomes viable target for spells?

[Stratego (dev)]

no any good solutions currently, that is why i said to remove healing
(also not seems to me too big problem these are siege unit after all - can be handled as constructs)

but i check in code how bad to remove healings on under consntruction things - needs coding surely but question how much

[makazuwr32]

But healing by 20% of max health great tree under construction when it will have 7200 hp will be overkill. 1440 hp per "mend"! Even dwarves will not have SUCH GODSPEED.

I hope that you will find the solution or else we would need to disable this "healing buildings" ability on woodshaper until you will find one once we will work on mega buildings.

[Stratego (dev)]

??
that tree also must lose healability.

so again: "constructible" units must not be healable! that is what i am saying.

so here there was used some setup that the engine can not handle - this must no happen, we should make the code change first and AFTER setting such abilities (like a healable unit is also constructible)

[Savra]

I found this:
"IS_EFFECT_NOT_FOR_UNDERCONSTR"

[Stratego (dev)]

i am afraid that will not work on heal - but please try and if works than good!

[Vladneral]

I have recheck this issue.

Problem left only for:
- dwarf heavy cannon

All others are fine now.
Ah yes and i remind that you cant "heal" it normaly - only if you left any healer close (no more than 2 tiles) with left action and end the turn.

[Stratego (dev)]

thanks!

wait you have dev version?
and you downloaded and tested after this dev version update?
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=12616#p136694

[Stratego (dev)]

so - please someone confirm is Savra attempt to fix is working or not.
it is uos already in dev version.

thanks!

[Savra]

It's working for me. I tested the woodshaper out and they can't mend under construction buildings.

[Stratego (dev)]

good!

wait: "Ah yes and i remind that you cant "heal" it normaly - only if you left any healer close (no more than 2 tiles) with left action and end the turn."
you tried this literally?

[Vladneral]

Yes i have dev version. But I have post this before update. So no - i dont check this after update.

[Stratego (dev)]

ok, please somone chekc if with latest dev verison it is working or not - thanks!

daniel