Heavy War Elephants Redesign IMPLEMENTED

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Heavy War Elephants Redesign IMPLEMENTED

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Heavy War Elephants doesn't seem to have elephant armor. Maybe it could have it as design, i mean i don't think war elephants would go to battle bare-skinned right? They are very vulnerable to arrows and stuff with current image.

Currently im not capable of redesigning such huge beasts so could someone else try it?
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Sure. If i could get the link to the image currently in, it would be help .
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War elephants. Try to add chain armor or leather around the elephants.
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Rusty chain mail. Hope it doesn't get a mess.

Working on more variations to pick among.
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I think it looks a little dirty.
Maybe some references should help.

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Leathery one. Btw, i cleared the displaced trunk end.
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Better!
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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 am I think it looks a little dirty.
Maybe some references should help.
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Yeah i was approaching something like that. But I realized we can't paint the elephant itself to pink.

And now armour metal plated.
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Okay. After a while of making armor this is what i made. What do you think @Hyuhjhih?

Honestly i didn't know i was capable of doing this. Lol. Sorry for the trouble.
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Better than my junk images. ๐Ÿ˜†
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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Well it took me prolly 30 or 40 minutes to make it. Don't worry.
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Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.
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Hyuhjhih wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. ๐Ÿ˜†
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)

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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:45 am
Hyuhjhih wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. ๐Ÿ˜†
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)
I were in this graphics/coding field for 3 years, before i had to quit (due to family pressures) and take my foot to astrophysics.

Its good i resigned . :lol: else i would have been a legend in teaser memes.
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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:41 am Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.
An armoured mahout wont be necessary i think, at least its not the elephant which is fighting. The kid on top good get a fix imo.
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Hyuhjhih wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:51 am
Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:41 am Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.
An armoured mahout wont be necessary i think, at least its not the elephant which is fighting. The kid on top good get a fix imo.
Yeah, i think so too. No need for armoured mahout. Idk about the kid holding a mace though. We should probably leave it like that unless they get an upgrade or something.
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What do you think @Endru1241? Is this acceptable?
I think the current Heavy War Elephants needs to be replaced. I also remember that this was also a request by Stratego years ago.

Btw, do you think the war elephants needs platforms and people holding stuff? We could try to add those to make it appear more realistic.
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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:45 am
Hyuhjhih wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. ๐Ÿ˜†
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)

There are even better people than me btw, for example, Endru, Alexander, Savra, Stormsaint, Patroid and other artists.
When compared to my drawings your images are Picasso paintings.
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I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
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But when mine is compared to Savra's drawings, im a toddler.
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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
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No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.
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Well i hope my avatar still worth my 5 days for perfection. Honestly. And my previous avatar the vulture worth my 6 hrs.

And if bady can do such nice stuff in 40 min, i bet he can do my Lion in a few hrs.
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Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
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No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.

And this, is still the best i have seen. C'mon guys. Seriously. It is the best example of art ever which reflects the person's sense of humbleness and light temper. ๐Ÿ˜ but I wish this had been drawn by you.
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Hyuhjhih wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:31 pm And if bady can do such nice stuff in 40 min, i bet he can do my Lion in a few hrs.
Nah mate, im super bad at animating. And the reason why im so quick with doing something like that is because there is a base image. When i start from a scratch i probably take 1 hour or so to do a good human.

Like this, i made Pillager from a scratch. But this was made pretty quickly thanks to a reference.
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makazuwr32 wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
Badnorth wrote: โ†‘Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
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No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.
Actually.. That's pretty good :)

Well, atleast you are a God at preserving Balance, without you, AoF must've fallen to chaos units. One of the reasons i quit AoF in my early days was because how broken the Orcs are. They destroy literally anything. Art work is superb though, most of it was Savra's and Alexander's.
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Replaced.
I think old image was not good or characteristic enough to put into alternatives or ancestors skin pack, but what do you think?
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Endru1241 wrote: โ†‘Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:41 pm Replaced.
I think old image was not good or characteristic enough to put into alternatives or ancestors skin pack, but what do you think?
Nah, it doesn't have much added design. I doubt anyone would pick an unarmored heavy war elephant as a skin.
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What about my question though.

Is it good to have platforms at the elephants?
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Castles are not necessary imho - as far as I know, that not all war elephants were used like that.
What comes to my mind for Elephants to be used in war, is 3 potential roles:
- fighting platform (mainly for shooting/throwing) - pretty much any extensive castle usage required stability, so I doubt those elephants would be prepared to charge and struggle, rather to stay as calm as possible
- heavy cavalry - that'd be complete opposite of platform, heavy cavalry main usage is breaking the lines, so those elephants would be trained to go wild
- non-batttle - e.g. transportation, draft animal

War elephants in-game would probably be representation of those trained to charge and that doesn't really give much stability as the platform.
They would probably only have a mahout, lying down on the neck and trying his best to control animal direction.

Although - I'm not any expert on elephants.
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