SU-152 IMPLEMENTED

[makazuwr32]

Tank hunter with 152mm weapon.
Was based on KV-1 and KV-2 tanks but with better armor and weapon.
Can shoot easily even the best armored tanks.
Also they were slower than KV-1 and KV-2 due to heavier armor and weapon.
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D1%81%D1%83%20152 - some images of them.

Description:
Soviet self-propelled heavy howitzer used during World War II.
It mounted a 152 mm gun-howitzer on the chassis of a KV-1S heavy tank.
Because of its adopted role as an impromptu heavy tank destroyer, capable of knocking out the heaviest German armoured vehicles—Tiger and Panther tanks, and Elefant tank destroyers—it was nicknamed Zveroboy ("Beast Slayer").

[Midonik]

I remember it from Coh 2 gameplay. We should put it in. It should need heavy,or maybe even super heavy tech to be build. And we need to give Germans Elefant too.

[makazuwr32]

i think Elephants weren't so much producted as Su-152.

[Midonik]

But player might chose want he want to produce .
Germans will just need somethink to (try) to compete with that one.

[makazuwr32]

Eleohants were really costly for german and because they couldn't produce them much.
Su-152 was pretty mass production comparing to elephants.
Also they were slower and really weak to air attacks so we can just give bombers bonus against su-152. So that they cak kill it with 2-3 shots.

As for upgrade we need not heavy tanks production but special upgrade for this special unit. Maybe we can make it researchable only in mega building of soviets.

[Belfry777]

well I have herd of this unit it's like the German "stumtiger" except a bit weaker.

[makazuwr32]

It was more powerful actually and more mass producted.
More powerful because it had pretty desent barrel.
Stumtiger had near to no barrel and because its range was almost point blank while range of this tank killer could be up to 2 kilometers.
If needed i can give more info about it - speed of projectile for both right after exiting of barrel and range for both.
Stumtiger was far less effective than SU-152.

[Belfry777]

Well the stumtiger was made with the bottom of the tiger if not the heaviest tanks of the war ( not ) and only 20 of them were built but the stumtiger is better because only 20 of the were built I mean in game.

[makazuwr32]

Soviets at the start of war with finland had at least 8 prototypes and one of them was with even harder armor than tiger but because of its weight and speed (12 km/hour) it was decided to be as not perspective. Armors it had from 80 to 180 mm.
And because it was only one doesn't mean that it was far better than T-34 prototype.

Yes, stumtiger must have better armors in comparing to this tank. But power still less.

[Belfry777]

I think the stumtiger should have more armor and more power because of the size of the shell, it's size was huge and about as big as a battle ship turret. Just without the range.

[makazuwr32]

More power - no. More armor - it must have same armor as normal tiger.
As well as su 152 must have same armor as KV-1.

Base speed of su 152's projectile was 600 meters/second, mass of projectile was 100-200 kilogramms, maximal distance was 6200 meters.

Base speed of stumtiger's projectile was 250 meters/second, mass of projectile was 300 kilogramms, maximal distance was 3500 meters.

Power of su 152's projectile was 150x600=90'000 Newtons while power of stumtiger's one was 350x300=75'000 Newtons.
This means that even with lesser diameter it has better power.

[Belfry777]

Okay.. if you want this with these stats you must suggest another artillery for the Germans because this is a counter for another Russian artillery tank, the one you mentioned. Or you will have to adjust the stats.

[makazuwr32]

I'm saying that stumtiger must be a bit less powerful than Su-152 in attack.
They can even have same attack but with better bonuses against tanks and defencive buildings (stationary turrets, bunkers...)
Also stumtiger must have better armor because core tiger had better than kv-1.

[Belfry777]

okay we can do with these stats, please list them.