Map Editor Trigger: spawning waves of units

[Tassilo]

Hello there.

How can I make a Trigger that generates different types of units for the entire game?

every 3 turns spawn 3 archers, 2 soldiers, etc, and a cooldown of 3 turns for example

I have managed to do it but only one type of unit is spawned the other units do not spawn

[Tassilo]

I can spawn both units
The problem now
Is the cooldown, every turn.units spawn
I want them to spawn every X turn

How

[Stratego (dev)]

moved to other discussions an title modified to be more specific

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also answer: there is a counter option too so you can count to 3 and activate a trigger there.

[Tassilo]

sorry i dont understand, my english is bad.
the trigger i want, is one that spawn "archers"
1- turn 3
2-spawn 3 archers
3- 3 turns cooldown
4- Spawn 3 archer's again
5- infinitely

[makazuwr32]

Not possible right now.

Might be good idea though to add such possibility.
But i'd say it will be better to make it when you set a trigger itself, not as conditions or effects.

What do i mean:
We have an option of setring trigger as repeating.
My idea is to add to this option a number that will represent cooldown for this trigger.
0 will mean that it will be used every turn once conditions were fulfilled. 1 will mean that once per 2 turns and so on.

@Stratego (dev) what do you think?

[Stratego (dev)]

i think it is possible - whjy u say not? there is counter, enable, disable trigger same triggger needs to be re-eanbled.

[makazuwr32]

Problem here is that for each disabling and re-enabling trigger we need to make a separate trigger.

What if i need to make 50 waves of same units?
I will need to make 1 trigger for spawning, 50 triggers for disabling spawning and 50 triggers for enabling spawning.
And if i need to make 7 different waves each of which will be used with different iintervals (1st each 3 turns, 2nd each 4 turns, 3rd each 7 turns, 4th each turn, 5th each 19 turns, 6th each 13 turns and 7th each 9 turns)? It will become such a mess that you will just forget where what is even with renaming function. And because map is rather big (it is survival map though thus player has only a limited amount of units) it will take even 200+ turns so i need to calculate and make for each specific wave all possible activation triggers.

Yes it IS possible but it takes so god damn many time to replicate and edit every trigger for such invasions that it completely erases all desire working on campain.

[Stratego (dev)]

not this way.

i ment like
trigger 1: spawn units on first turn (and enable/re-enable trigger 3)
trigger 2: countdowning till 3 turn
trigger 3: on countdown finish re-enable trigger 1

[Midonik]

Triggers can be looped, right? As in, they will trigger every time that the condition is checked.

[Tassilo]

Thanks you every one

[makazuwr32]

Triggers can be looped, right? As in, they will trigger every time that the condition is checked.

Triggers can be looped but i think once they triggered conditions they will continue execute their effects every turn. Even if condition is not fulfilled anymore.

not this way.

i ment like
trigger 1: spawn units on first turn (and enable/re-enable trigger 3)
trigger 2: countdowning till 3 turn
trigger 3: on countdown finish re-enable trigger 1

This still requires for me 3 triggers instead of 1 per each type of waves.
Which is not good.

[Stratego (dev)]

This still requires for me 3 triggers instead of 1 per each type of waves.
Which is not good.

??

type of waves? if you spawn same type and amount of untis on same place than you dont need more.
if you want different - sure, you need more.

(and it is good you need more that case)

[makazuwr32]

And if i need to make 7 different waves each of which will be used with different iintervals (1st each 3 turns, 2nd each 4 turns, 3rd each 7 turns, 4th each turn, 5th each 19 turns, 6th each 13 turns and 7th each 9 turns)? It will become such a mess that you will just forget where what is even with renaming function.

That what i meant.

Anyway. Such variant of usage that you suggest is not intuitive and for beginner map creators will be pain in the ass to figure out how it is supposed to work.

Not possible right now.

Might be good idea though to add such possibility.
But i'd say it will be better to make it when you set a trigger itself, not as conditions or effects.

What do i mean:
We have an option of setring trigger as repeating.
My idea is to add to this option a number that will represent cooldown for this trigger.
0 will mean that it will be used every turn once conditions were fulfilled. 1 will mean that once per 2 turns and so on.

@Stratego (dev) what do you think?

This variant will allow to make trigger repeatable once condition is fulfilled every x turns where x is number you set for trigger when you set it as repeating.
This number will mean how many turns trigger must be inactive before it will be reactivated. 0 means that it will be reactivated on next turn after it is executed, 1 means that it will be reactivated 2 turns after it is executed and so on until it actually is turned off.

[Stratego (dev)]

i can not follow you.
if you want a complex spawning - it will be (inevitably) complex to define.

[makazuwr32]

i can not follow you.
if you want a complex spawning - it will be (inevitably) complex to define.

I am fine with not easy to define complex spawning. But this is just an example.

With what i am not fine is that it is not intuitive to set up looping triggers with cooldowns between each execution and requires way too many things which can be made unnecessary with change i suggest.
I want this complex looping to be a bit easier to make. Right now setting up it is not user-friendly at all.

Right now you either need to make 2 extra triggers JUST TO LOOP each trigger you need if you do not need ir to execute each turn. And it is bad.

What i suggest is to add to this menu:

Additional option that appears for trigger when you choose "Looping" setting that will allow you to choose delay between each execution of trigger.
Without these extra enabling, counting, disabling parts.

I have several trigger heavy maps with good amount of loops. One map has more than 180 triggers in total for various things which i need to loop. And just for those i need to make 360 extra triggers to loop them? It is bad than in terms of user-friendly.

[Stratego (dev)]

was there such option in AOE? i made this based on that.

it is intentionally "general" not many many specific implemenetations.

[makazuwr32]

Why you should base map editor on ONLY on aoe?

Why not base it on other games as well?
Not sure about aoe but heroes of might and magic 5 for examole have similar option.

And it is still general since it just expansion of already implemented "looping" option for running (where you choose between running looping and running once) since it just will allow players to choose delay between each loop. Nothing else.

[Stratego (dev)]

not only.
but that was an awesome editor and trigger options so if something was not there than i assime it to be mtoo specific. that is all.

[makazuwr32]

not only.
but that was an awesome editor and trigger options so if something was not there than i assime it to be mtoo specific. that is all.

This option is just an expansion of already implemented option.
Like how you added more variants of possible categories to choose in map editor.

Also even if that editor is awesome it does not mean that it is perfect. Even in it i am sure there are buttload amount of points to improve.