Bridges on moats not working IMPLEMENTED

[phoenixffyrnig]

When a bridge is built on a moat the tile still has the penalties of a moat, ie armour mali, removed action.

I have encountered this with wooden bridges and another player has separately had this with stone bridges.

[Endru1241]

They are working partially.
Movement through such tiles is changed.
But I agree, that those terrain effects shouldn't affect units carried.
I added code request to make it happen.

[phoenixffyrnig]

Unit on a bridge over a moat still loses any actions he has.

[Endru1241]

I made a few tests, using very very weird techniques to get rid of it, but none works unfortunately.

I am really out of options here.
The only real way needs code change, so we are waiting.

But I don't recall changing topic to answered. I'll change it back, as it's ongoing issue.

[makazuwr32]

i have one idea how can this issue be fixed but... it is unorthodox one.

Make one type of bridges (stone maybe?) as tiles so when completed they transform for good into bridge tile. In this case bridge tiles will override effects of moats.

I do not advise to go this way alas.

[Endru1241]

No can do.
Moats are already on decoration layer, so it would just be equal to removing it all along.
And bridges could just remove decoration layer item under it, without such combination.

But imo moats would be too nerfed with it.

[Badnorth]

But I don't recall changing topic to answered. I'll change it back, as it's ongoing issue.

Sorry. I think i'm the one who set it. I didn't read your post much before, i probably only understood that it was working or something.

My bad.

[Stratego (dev)]

i have one idea how can this issue be fixed but... it is unorthodox one.

Make one type of bridges (stone maybe?) as tiles so when completed they transform for good into bridge tile. In this case bridge tiles will override effects of moats.

I do not advise to go this way alas.

yes please dont do such hackings

[Stratego (dev)]

here question is: ALL terrain effects should be neglected inside ALL types of "carrier" units?

by carrier units i mean unist that can "carry" other units
- bridges
- factories
- TCs
- transportships
- ground transports

and so on.

[makazuwr32]

Towers and tower-like units (ent warriors for example; in general any units inside whom carried units can act normally) should not prevent carried units from being affected by terrain as for me. Tc and bridges are an exception.

Other carriers should prevent units inside from being affected by terrain effects.

[Stratego (dev)]

sorry i dont understand which should let terrain effects affect units inside and which is not?
- bridges
- factories
- towers
- TCs
- transportships
- ground transports
- ent warrior (btw: why is it topwer like unit what is tower likelihood?)

my real questions is: sould there be a "in code" default, or should i make a specunitaction that can be set to carriers like "IS_CARRIER_HIDES_TERRAIN_DRAWBACKS" (there is a similar bool flag from earlier btw)
this is from modders point of view.

[Endru1241]

As for me - carriers, that have emulatesTerrains should change terrain effects.
Specifically - unit carried should be affected by terrain effects of whatever terrainTile was used for emulation.
But if it's too complicated or too ambiguous (I don't really know how exactly terrain emulation works) IS_CARRIER_HIDES_TERRAIN_DRAWBACKS is perfectly sufficient.

[makazuwr32]

For current plans of terrain effects in aof units inside those types of carriers mentioned in my previous post must be affected by all possible terrain effects.

Bridges, town centers, factories, any sort of transport units (inside whom units can't act at all — ones who work similar to wagons in this case) and mega buildings must prevent units inside from being affected by any terrain effects as for me.
Maybe with exception of roads.
Towers and units with carry capacity inside which carried units can act like in tower (ent warrior, human warship and human destroyer, battering ram of humans and dwarves in aof, chariots after "spacious chariot" tech in aos) must not prevent units inside from being affected by terrain effects.

I am fine with that spec action idea for carriers.

[Stratego (dev)]

uos 10 in AOS.
please test it