Full scaledfolk race remade suggestion — ARCHIVED

[Savra]

Did this remake put the kobald merchant and Kobald drummer into the builders category?

Because when you look at a buildings stat page you'll see them as builders too.

[makazuwr32]

Hm. Really?

@General Brave .

[Savra]

So, is the hydra health supposed to increase on the consumption of a corpse?
If so, then we need an image, if not then we still need an image.

Don't get me wrong though, it is a pretty useful and unique ability.

[makazuwr32]

It will heal itself upon eating corpse but not increase max hp.

[Savra]

It does increase its max hp in game on eating a corpse.
One hydra I had sent from 112/112 hp, to 115/115 hp after eating 3 corpses.

[makazuwr32]

Hm. That is a problem. @General Brave please look onto eat up a corpse ability of hydra.

[Savra]

It did seem ok for now but I don't have all the scaledfolk units so I wouldn't know how bad it could be, I just figured this out through one of my "tests".

[makazuwr32]

@General Brave, @Tankhead.

More changes that must be done:
1. Fixes to units and upgrades:

1.1. Fire archer of scaledfolks must have range 6, not 8.
1.2. Kobold drummer's effect must affect armored variants of kobolds.
1.3. Suddenly disappeared somewhere komodo knight and heavy komodo knight. Please return them.
1.4. Change finally name of "Kobold cavalry" to Kobold rider (and same for heavy ones).
1.5. Please fix Highborn presence aura. It does nothing for now but it must give to normal and armored kobolds +3 attack and +1/+1 armor.
1.6. Fix Tough scales upgrade. it does nothing right now.
1.7. Increase spell range for kobold shaman by 1.
1.8. Lower spell range of Gray Dragon to 3, remove power range.
1.9. Fix all dragons not counting as "dragons".
1.10. Small ship can't carry land units but can carry dragons and ships. Fix this.]
1.11. Fix name of Snakeman Duel Swordman.
1.12. Both snakemen must have dodges. 30%/30%/60%.
1.13. Remove for now Rest spell from Kobold Priestess. Lower her Health to 16.
1.14. Change names of Armored lizardmen To Elite.
1.15. Fix white breath ability of White dragon or remove it and increase heal rate to 15.
1.16. Change Green dragon To Acid one. Can be done without implementing Acid effect for now.
1.17. Lower speed of gold dragon to 5, disable ability to begin construction for it.
1.18. Exept Gray dragon, White dragon and devourer dragon ALL dragons must count as flying units. For now they gain full damage from land units.
1.19. Increase armor of Dark Dragon to 3/3, Increase damage to 18.
1.20. Remove second action from Snakeman Spearman.

2. Changes to production of Buildings:

1. Swamp Barrack:
Kobold Spearman (and armored one)
Kobold Warrior (and armored one)
Kobold Rider (And Elite one)
Komodo Knight (and Elite one)
Kobold Drummer
Kobold Warden (and heavy one)

Can research Armored kobolds tech.

2. Hunter's Hut:
Keep everything as it is now.

3. Fort: This building will have all trainable lizardmen and lizardmen brutes.
Lizard Archer (and Elite one)
Lizard Blademan (and Elite one)

4. Dragon Temple:
Devourer Dragon
White Dragon
Acid Dragon
Gold Dragon
Fire Dragon

Comment: removed from this temple Gray Dragon and Dark dragon. They will be trainable along with some more dragons in Big Temple.

5. Snake Pit: Stays same.

6. Stronghold (1x1 mega):
Kobold Shaman
Kobold Priestess
Kobold Warden (and heavy one)
Kobold Lord
Kobold Drummer
Highborn Kobold Maceman
Highborn Kobold Archer
Highborn Kobold Spearman
Highborn Kobold Swordman

7. Keep: this building will become a second base for lizardmen and brutes as well as for snakemen. Also later here can be added some other more intelligent scaledfolk species.
Lizard Archer (and Elite one)
Lizard Blademan (and Elite one)
Snakeman Dual swordman
Snakeman Spearman

8. Temple: Change name to "Great Temple" to disable confuses.
Hydra
Turtleman
Gray Dragon
Dark Dragon
Fire dragon
White Dragon

[General Brave]

I be almost finished.

[Savra]

Alright, time for savra to put his two bits in.

I agree for the most part on all but Lizard men brutes part. I still think they should be temple units rather then keep units, they are a different tribe of Lizard men who are more Aztec like based and their style fits the temple. Lizard men on the other hand would be fine in redoubt because that matches more their style. Salesmen would be fine in redoubt as well. As for fort I agree on making that a lizardmen structure altogether that also includes their upgrades. At the moment though I think the scaledfolks need more tech upgrades because they seem to have the fewest of everyone.

[makazuwr32]

Great temple is for biggest and most badass units of scaledfolks. For giants.

[Savra]

Volcano contains big monsters too, but the uruks are useful because they are cheaper to get out and can defend it easier. The Lizard men brutes average out in cost at around 5 turns and can useful if it comes to the enemy getting too close for any powerful units. Even the castle and mansion of a cheap unit to choose from in these situations.
That's why I said the blue Lizard men should be apart of the temple and not the keep, also that they have a style that matches the temple style. The basic Lizard men are apart of a separate tribe and are a little more sophisticated. The brutes are more tribal and rely on their strength, which puts them on par with other elites.

Right now the average cost of the temples units is 8 and higher, the only 6 turn unit is the turtlemen. The Lizard men brutes would change that and make things much easier. It wouldn't make the others obsolete, just makes for a quicker defence or a tough structure to build up your army to take back certain areas.

Their techs would be in the fort though.

[makazuwr32]

I am planning for great temple some giant type units but they will be not so costly as are current units.
Even one-two 3 turn cost ones.

Also please don't compare temple with volcano because for example undeads and elves don't have any cheap units for now to defend their megas.
We don't need a way that every race has

cheaper to get out and can defend it easier.

units in their mega buildings.

[Savra]

Still, the brutes look more like a temple unit to me, despite them having 5 cost I believe. Btw just a reminder we do have some other units in the ready list, and some (Wyrm) go to the temple.

Besides that, it's the style of how the Lizard men brutes are, I mean if the dragons are the scaledfolk gods and the grey dragon is the Lord of the dragons so to speak, and if the brutes are the chosen by their gods then who better to defend their leader then a bunch of tough powerful brutes. It's like how imperials are in the castle to defend their king some come out to repel the enemies, brutes would do the same.

The temple houses both ceremonial and powerful lizards and therefore would make it their capital.

Like how elves look at the great tree as theirs, mansion for undead, volcano for orcs, kingdom under the mountain for dwarves, and the castle for humans.

That is how I see it, that is.

[makazuwr32]

SPOILERS

I want into temple dragonians (not fully dragons but half dragons) as one of many units i've planned.


Also undeads don't have any of their elites in mansion as well as elves.

Lizardmen must be with other lizardmen. Giants must be with giants.

[Lynx Shafir]

We need new design for some of those buildings -may name change of Fort/Keep to smtg reflects it's lizardmen one.

may my Brutes get a separate one though I never wanted so many units for em.to require this..

Thematically the temple wud fit
What was the initial destination

*there were so many switching here I'm no longer sure this will be the final anyway*

For now @Savralet myself fight my battle"

But before adding them I want more lizards and casters in.
And exclusive "keep" units.
Than ll see.

[makazuwr32]

Later we can make fort exclusive to lizardmen and keep exclusive to their brutes if you want.

[Savra]

Draconians are already a thing, they are exclusive to only the dragon temple.
They have 1 unit and have vetraning.

[makazuwr32]

Uhm did i miss something?
I am thinking about at least 8 different dragonian units. Not 1.

Fighter/knight
Lancer
Archer
Flame wizard
Ice wizard
Thunder caller
Earth shaman
Wind reader
Supporter

[Savra]

Supporter, really? Needs a better name but the other one was actually quite strong on its own. Unless this is supposed to be some sort of elite group idk, by the sound of it though it does seem like one.

I'd say remove ice wizard, thunder caller, and earth shaman.

Let's get creative here.

Dragonian Fire warrior

Dragonian Scourger

Dragonian Flame herald

Dragonian Flame kin

Dragonian Cinder mage

Dragonian harbringer

Dragonian Ash spike


You can decide the rest. But let's make a topic for this, we already have a decent template for them.

[makazuwr32]

Actually i just took names from one game. Names must be changed ofc but i chose these ones because they are half-dragons half-taurs and they must have some similar variants dragons of scaledfolks have.

[Savra]

So in other words we have hybrids between Lizard men and dragons? When the draconian is already there but is are own unit? The reason I didn't approve of the element variants except 1 was because scaledfolk have a lot of element users for a race who is supposed to specialize in poison. (Dragons, though since they are dragons they can get away with it.)

[makazuwr32]

They are not exactly lizardmen. They more like hybrids between centaurs and dragons.
And ofc that is basic concept but lancer, knight and archer will stay definately (not their names though but ideas - anti cav, anti infantry, ranged archer) as well as at least 1 offensive caster (damaging and debuffing) & 1 support caster (healing and buffing).

We can also mix elements to them: for example thunder lancer (has lighting weapon active ability like warmage has or just slowing 1 passive) or burning fighter (burning weapon passive).

[Savra]

So 4 legged ones? Alright, the fire one could be the replacement for the conjurer since he will soon be put as a fun unit.

[makazuwr32]

Four leg ones, yes. Like on the image i showed up.
Not a replacement of conjurer because fire one won't have summon abilities.

[Savra]

That has 2 legs.

Btw, just noticed another problem. So fort can't be built on water but has amphibious units, Snake pit is the same, the swamp barracks is the exact opposite. We have kobalds who can't swim but sit in a barracks buildable on water.

[makazuwr32]

Hm. But you can't build barracks in the middle of ocean. Only on shores because kobold workers can't swim and their dragon must not be able to start any buildings.

[Lynx Shafir]

Despite lizard are Amphibian they live in dry land /swamps
For Fort land only is right.

Same for snake pit

As for barracks yes, change is needed.

Btw
There are some mostly water oriented old suggestions, being infantry and no dock they wud go on TC, barrack anyway.

Before working on tritons and nagas I want to see desvolting those.

[Savra]

I didn't mean move fort and snakepit in water, just the swamp barracks needed a few additions, lurker would make this more reasonable plus we have a Naga constructor also being mentioned so we can (eventually) build further out to sea.

[makazuwr32]

I don't like idea of this naga constructor. Already.
Scaledfolks already have one of the best support builder - gold dragon (2 action + high mend rate).