Big Bertha — ARCHIVED
Big Bertha — ARCHIVED
Big Bertha
Build at kingdom under the mountain.
Cost:8
Hp:30
Atk:25
Rng:9
Aoe:2
Sight:9
Spd:1 can't move in forests
Arm:1
P.arm:6
Res:30%
Bonus to buildings, giants
Same miss chance as trebuchet only you can't lower miss chance through upgrades.
Damage might be lowered, hits units for physical. It can't hit flying as easy.
Basically a big cannon, not a tank or anything.
Build at kingdom under the mountain.
Cost:8
Hp:30
Atk:25
Rng:9
Aoe:2
Sight:9
Spd:1 can't move in forests
Arm:1
P.arm:6
Res:30%
Bonus to buildings, giants
Same miss chance as trebuchet only you can't lower miss chance through upgrades.
Damage might be lowered, hits units for physical. It can't hit flying as easy.
Basically a big cannon, not a tank or anything.
Last edited by Savra on Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:05 am, edited 5 times in total.
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Re: Bertha
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Re: Bertha
Updated. This way we can move the mortar to the siege workshop and replace with something more powerful.Gral.Sturnn wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:11 pm change name to big bertha
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Re: Big Bertha
Not too sure on that
Mortar is a ranged unit not a siege regardless of weapon
I think this should be in siege workshop with high cost.
Mortar is a ranged unit not a siege regardless of weapon
I think this should be in siege workshop with high cost.
"The smallest pebble was once the biggest stone, the biggest stone was once bigger"
Re: Big Bertha
Hmm, still could work as a unit for siege workshop. It's like a ranged unit that shells enemies who sit behind their walls. It works somewhat like a dwarven catapult or dwarven version of goblin cannon fodder. This unit would be more worth setting in kingdom under the mountain since it acts more like a dwarven trebuchet.
Re: Big Bertha
Then why not cannon be buildable in both siege workshop and Mountain for dwarves.Savra wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:21 am Hmm, still could work as a unit for siege workshop. It's like a ranged unit that shells enemies who sit behind their walls. It works somewhat like a dwarven catapult or dwarven version of goblin cannon fodder. This unit would be more worth setting in kingdom under the mountain since it acts more like a dwarven trebuchet.
I believe the the only reason trebuchet isn't buildable no where else is cause they have yet to put in human workshop like in aos otherwise im sure it would be in workshop also for humans
Moreover I can't see a ranged unit ( not siege ) being in workshop,
Workshop should only produce non living things
Not living units
"The smallest pebble was once the biggest stone, the biggest stone was once bigger"
Re: Big Bertha
Yah, Humans need the rest of their buildings and units accessible now, plus their techs. They're kinda needing them now and it gets annoying having to rely on your tc's for siege units.
Btw if we can't stick morterman in siege workshop, why not shooting range? Makes more sense.
Btw if we can't stick morterman in siege workshop, why not shooting range? Makes more sense.
Re: Big Bertha
I agree on thisSavra wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:02 am Yah, Humans need the rest of their buildings and units accessible now, plus their techs. They're kinda needing them now and it gets annoying having to rely on your tc's for siege units.
Btw if we can't stick morterman in siege workshop, why not shooting range? Makes more sense.
That's what I was leading to for morterman
He's ranged after all so yes It does make sense
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Re: Big Bertha
Yah, btw does stats seem fine?
Re: Big Bertha
Lower damage 20 - 15
And why would this unit have bonus to giants?
( If human trebuchet has bonus to giants ignore them question above )
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Re: Big Bertha
Actually I thought the mortar had bonus to giants? This is like a heavy one for building destroying purposes. But I don't want stats to be as low as a trebuchets we need it somewhat higher.
Re: Big Bertha
Ill have to check stats on trebuchet unless you post it faster
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Re: Big Bertha
Alright so:
Trebuchet is 10
Giant Marksmen is 20
Both are trebuchet units only I think marksmen has higher miss chance.
So we could settle for 15-20.
I think marksmen has aoe 1 though and big bertha has aoe 2 so we might go with 15.
Trebuchet is 10
Giant Marksmen is 20
Both are trebuchet units only I think marksmen has higher miss chance.
So we could settle for 15-20.
I think marksmen has aoe 1 though and big bertha has aoe 2 so we might go with 15.
Re: Big Bertha
@makazuwr32 what's your thoughts on this and the Organ gun?viewtopic.php?f=118&t=6235
Re: Big Bertha
Sounds great
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Re: Big Bertha
I don't like this one as well. For such a famous name such a low damage and pretty low range. Also don't use this name for dwarven units.
Instead i am suggestiong a cannon unit with transformation ability:
1 - cannon ball charged - high damage, high accuracy (5% miss chance only), high bonus to buildings, high range.
2 - grapeshot charged - low damage, high inaccuracy, high aoe (power range 2-3), low range (up to 5 max), bonus against infantries, cavalries.
Instead i am suggestiong a cannon unit with transformation ability:
1 - cannon ball charged - high damage, high accuracy (5% miss chance only), high bonus to buildings, high range.
2 - grapeshot charged - low damage, high inaccuracy, high aoe (power range 2-3), low range (up to 5 max), bonus against infantries, cavalries.
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Re: Big Bertha
Cluster shell and normal shot?
Updated.
Updated.
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Re: Big Bertha
No. Not for this unit.
Also i still don't like name for this unit.
Dwarven cannoneer - that what i meant.
Also i still don't like name for this unit.
Dwarven cannoneer - that what i meant.
AoF Dev Co-Leadermakazuwr32 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:54 amWhen you ask to change something argument why...
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Re: Big Bertha
Name it mini Bertha
They can't make the actual Bertha but they did manage to make prototypes
They can't make the actual Bertha but they did manage to make prototypes
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Re: Big Bertha
Nono.
Big Bertha was named after woman and why dwarves will name cannon after human woman?
Big Bertha was named after woman and why dwarves will name cannon after human woman?
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Re: Big Bertha
It's a joke like name, it doesn't have to be serious, think it like dwarves put colloquial names to their powerful machines as a small humourmakazuwr32 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:24 pm Nono.
Big Bertha was named after woman and why dwarves will name cannon after human woman?
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Re: Big Bertha
I don't like still name and i am against it.
Also i think that normal cannon (my suggestion) will be much better.
Also i think that normal cannon (my suggestion) will be much better.
AoF Dev Co-Leadermakazuwr32 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:54 amWhen you ask to change something argument why...
Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on...
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Re: Big Bertha
Name stays, state seem much simpler to make for this unit too. It is more worth the cost and besides, it is supposed to be considered the "mother of all cannons"
I've seen games that have dwarves biggest cannons be called big bertha with similar descriptions, it's not unheard of.
I've seen games that have dwarves biggest cannons be called big bertha with similar descriptions, it's not unheard of.
Re: Big Bertha
I'll probably make a new image that is bigger.
@Alexander82 what's your thoughts on these cannons? I tried keeping them simple.
@Alexander82 what's your thoughts on these cannons? I tried keeping them simple.
Re: Big Bertha
Probably doesn't look as good but here's a bigger one.
Re: Big Bertha
Changed some things. Mainly shades.