Blue dragon hits itself with fireball

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Blue dragon hits itself with fireball

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The blue dragon that is used in quite some scenarios hits himself with his own fireball spell. Technically, it's the same spell than that of the mage but with lower range.

I don't think a unit should self-hit itself with an ability every time.
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Do you mean the one used only in map editor or the one available for multiplayer and random games?
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He means old one, for campains only.
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I mean the old one, used for campaigns and scenarios.
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By the way, the imperial rider on the drake sets fire and gives fireball damage to human aircraft (those that are in 5 turns)
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I have kind of more understanding of friendly fire of long range fireballs. In dnd, its similar. But of course, it would be easier to handle without.

I just hope the self hit is a bug and not a feature.
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Anchar wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:33 am By the way, the imperial rider on the drake sets fire and gives fireball damage to human aircraft (those that are in 5 turns)
Does he have 3 range on that ability, that also has 2 aoe? If you drag it as far as possible and keep the area of two tiles around the tile you drag it to there shouldn't be any friendly fire.
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Yes, range 3, aoe2


The blue dragon however has range one for his fireball.
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Oh. He than just need higher spell range.
Maybe 2 or even 3 spell range..
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That would be awesome. Three is required for him not to hit himself.
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Huttensohn wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:49 am I have kind of more understanding of friendly fire of long range fireballs. In dnd, its similar. But of course, it would be easier to handle without.

I just hope the self hit is a bug and not a feature.
Yes, it is a bug. We need to add 1 casting range to the dragon
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But if it has range 1 and aoe2, it needs range 3, right?
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Can you post a screen of how far the fireball can move from the unit?
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Right now it has 1 range (melee range). Blue dragon needs at least +2 spell range (better to give it +3) in order to make its breath far from unit.
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I can't attach the screenshots here. email?
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makazuwr32 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:02 pm Right now it has 1 range (melee range). Blue dragon needs at least +2 spell range (better to give it +3) in order to make its breath far from unit.
I would prefer more a lower range that force the unit to have the breath adjacent to its tile.
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I must remind, alex, that this is map editor blue dragon, not producable in breeding keep blue dragon.

And thus this doesn't matter that much for it.

Anyway +2 spell range will make it as you want (just barely out of hitting range).
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I think it would be thematic this way. Aoe 2, without self hit and range one or two. In dnd 4 there are blasts, aoes that only face one direction, like a 3*3 area in front of the caster.
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doesn't it need a range of 3 if the aoe is 2 to avoid the self hit?
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Spell of that dragon itself has range +1 (base) so we need only add +2 for that effect.
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