Bug on new built poison tower — ARCHIVED

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Bug on new built poison tower — ARCHIVED

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After update 18th July 21. Any newly built poison tower I can't enter. Please fix it
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It is not a bug.
It is planned change since poison tower has now higher construction rate.
It is now basically alternative to human watch tower with ability to shoot and spread poison.
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makazuwr32 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:27 pm It is not a bug.
It is planned change since poison tower has now higher construction rate.
It is now basically alternative to human watch tower with ability to shoot and spread poison.
It block friendly unit to move through it what is the use for such a tower in defence. The best part of story old built poison tower can enter in.
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Are you talking about the poisonous tower of lizards?
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Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:00 am Are you talking about the poisonous tower of lizards?
I think he is. Scaled Folk was the only race with poison towers after all.
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Huh. Blocking movement of allied units is a problem, yes. We will fix that.
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Badnorth wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:47 am
Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:00 am Are you talking about the poisonous tower of lizards?
I think he is. Scaled Folk was the only race with poison towers after all.
Honestly, I won't be surprised if I miss some new poisonous tower, how have it changed? If they simply removed the capacity without increasing the range, then I think that this is quite controversial in terms of balance, no matter how quickly the towers of the lizards are built, they are still worse than the more distant towers of other races.

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Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:59 am By the way, a beautiful avatar of Badnorth.
Thank you :)

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Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:59 am
Badnorth wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:47 am
Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:00 am Are you talking about the poisonous tower of lizards?
I think he is. Scaled Folk was the only race with poison towers after all.
Honestly, I won't be surprised if I miss some new poisonous tower, how have it changed? If they simply removed the capacity without increasing the range, then I think that this is quite controversial in terms of balance, no matter how quickly the towers of the lizards are built, they are still worse than the more distant towers of other races.

By the way, a beautiful avatar of Badnorth.
Poison tower now became cheaper than before. It also has highest sight range among all towers of scalefolks. On the other hand it lost its carry capacity and part of hp to become scalefolks' alternative to human watch tower. Ofc with keeping ability to shoot around poison darts.

Only problem now is that they block movement of own units. Will be fixed.
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makazuwr32 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:38 am
Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:59 am
Badnorth wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:47 am

I think he is. Scaled Folk was the only race with poison towers after all.
Honestly, I won't be surprised if I miss some new poisonous tower, how have it changed? If they simply removed the capacity without increasing the range, then I think that this is quite controversial in terms of balance, no matter how quickly the towers of the lizards are built, they are still worse than the more distant towers of other races.

By the way, a beautiful avatar of Badnorth.
Poison tower now became cheaper than before. It also has highest sight range among all towers of scalefolks. On the other hand it lost its carry capacity and part of hp to become scalefolks' alternative to human watch tower. Ofc with keeping ability to shoot around poison darts.

Only problem now is that they block movement of own units. Will be fixed.
I know I always suggest this as solution to almost any problem but can't the carry capacity be something like a tech?

Elves have them anyway so I don't see why it cant be done in that poison tower?

Tower being able to Garrison units is one of their main feature ingame after all.
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The thing is that this tower is ridicilously cheap now for a tower. It has 40 hp and 250% construction rate which means it can be built in 2 actions from kobold workers.
On par with human watch tower.
If used well it can become too op if we will give it even 1 carry cap.

It already has poison weapon effect and is affected by dart techs for attack and range increase thus gaining up to 7 range.
For such cheap tower it is extremly good.

Also did i mention that it has sight 8 now? Only tower of scalefolks with such good sight.
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makazuwr32 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:15 am Also did i mention that it has sight 8 now? Only tower of scalefolks with such good sight.
That's a lie

Most towers in game have 8-9 sight.

Well, I'll just see for now. Their towers is quite powerful from the start anyway but I still don't like the idea.
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please dont call it a "lie", it is not nice, call it inaccuracy or he is "wrong".
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The weak human watchtower is used only in difficult situations, basically human only build fire towers with a large range, I would understand this weakening if the lizards had more powerful and long-range towers (as far as I know, if nothing has changed, the lizards do not ) but since this is their limit, comparisons with a weak human tower, which are rarely built not very well.
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DreJaDe wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:32 am
makazuwr32 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:15 am Also did i mention that it has sight 8 now? Only tower of scalefolks with such good sight.
That's a lie

Most towers in game have 8-9 sight.

Well, I'll just see for now. Their towers is quite powerful from the start anyway but I still don't like the idea.
Scalefolks specifically have 3 towers now:
Poison tower, sight range 8;
Birning tower, Sight range 6;
Fort, sight range 5.

Before this change poison tower had sight range 4 and due to this they had bigass problems with getting good sight around their base early and mid game.
I needed to use their 3 turn cost lancers on my own base in order to get actually acceptable (i am not saying good!) sight range around my own base. And ofc it was still not good enough.
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makazuwr32 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:38 am
Anchar wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:59 am
Badnorth wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:47 am

I think he is. Scaled Folk was the only race with poison towers after all.
Honestly, I won't be surprised if I miss some new poisonous tower, how have it changed? If they simply removed the capacity without increasing the range, then I think that this is quite controversial in terms of balance, no matter how quickly the towers of the lizards are built, they are still worse than the more distant towers of other races.

By the way, a beautiful avatar of Badnorth.
Poison tower now became cheaper than before. It also has highest sight range among all towers of scalefolks. On the other hand it lost its carry capacity and part of hp to become scalefolks' alternative to human watch tower. Ofc with keeping ability to shoot around poison darts.

Only problem now is that they block movement of own units. Will be fixed.
Please fix it the bug
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Re: Bug on new built poison tower

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Answered for first post.
Fixed inpassability.

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