unit : poisoned arrow archer - IMPLEMENTED v0.968

[Stratego (dev)]

I am currently developing ability to have eg. poison arrow units.

The engine will allow to define units or techs that can give the ability to any unit.

It can define effect that every turn causes burn or poison damage, or change any other property eg. Movement, power and so on.

[DooM223]

My idea!

[Mairon]

Idea: Commander-a weak unit that can each turn give a damage boost to friendly units nearby (it is given automatically).
turns 4
atk 2 (6 with the boost)
armor 0/0
hp 15
dmg boost 4 dmg
boost range 2
Conv. Resistance 50 %

[Stratego (dev)]

Doom: yes here, although i got the poisoning stuff on my list for months, as an engine modification based on email suggestions.
But the point is this is a good idea, and you mentioned again so i started implementing it.

[Stratego (dev)]

Marion open a new topic for the commander. Thanks.

[Stratego (dev)]

how long (turns) shoud the poisoning last?
few turns eg. 4 turns? or forever?

[balint]

Well, I think: the unit health/5 is the damage and lasts for 4 turn

[Stratego (dev)]

I think it should be fixed HP loss (eg. 5 hp/turn) since a weaker unit will die sooner than a big one like an elephant, that will not die from a little poisoned arrow .

the engine is almost ready:
this is how it will work.

you can set to any EFFECT that a unit can have on its weapon (or tech that will affect any defined units)
- how many turns it lasts
- how many percent chance to get "poisoned" or get on fire or anything.
- what properties of the target unit change and what value per turn until the effect lives (it can even be the hp/power/accuracy/range or any stat that is defined)
- boolean: is the effect result (eg. hp loss) stays on the unit (after it wears off) or not
(eg: if you wanted to "ice" the enemy with your special effect unit that caused him to loose 1 movement point every turn (frozing) than at the end it will stop moving, but when the effect wears off than it can move again regaining all movement stats, same can be used by a weakening poison or anything on the power.
- indicators: all effect can have a little icon or even a big one - on the unit itself (now poison is a little green drop icon by the HP indicator) - more than one indicator can be on an icon eg: a Frozen + Poisoned Elephant.
- all unit actions can cause such effects (configurable) attack/heal/mend/convert - naturally poison arrow uses the "attack".
- and all actions can remove an effect (configurable), now the poisoning will be removed by healing or converting the unit.
- it can also be defined which unit can be poisoned (now all flesh and blood units only - so a catapult/ships not, that will need an other effect eg. fireing arrows)

[balint]

the units will get a poison resistance, right?
or immunity after poisoned?

[Stratego (dev)]

no, should they?
which unit?

[balint]

I think, if a unit survives a poisoning, than he should have a.chanche to get immunity

[Stratego (dev)]

i see, but they wont
there is no such thing in life also.
and where is no space on the unit icons to indicate such thing.
or give me suggestions but if we put many icons on the units they will be crowded.

[balint]

ok

it was just an idea

[Stratego (dev)]

The poison archer upgrade is on the sever! (dev version)

[balint]

they are great

next time please make a poison longbowman

[Pepe]

I think the poisoned arrow archer is really overpowered. It beats an skimisher, a knight and gives serious trouble to the Spartan Hoplite

[Stratego (dev)]

that is not good, any suggestions?

[Mairon]

-5 hp turn is too much, especially when armor doesn't protect against it. I suggest making it -2 hp/turn

[Stratego (dev)]

I think -2 will be too few, making it almost nothing.

my suggestion:
1. -4 hp/turn
2. and skirmisher is never get poisoned.
3. and maybe decreasing the poisoning chance to 80%.

Other palyers: please state your opinions on the topic. thanks.

[Mairon]

Well, poisoned archers now deal 10 dmg before the enemy can even move, and it deals at least 6 dmg regardless of armor, which is 100% more than the normal archer's attack, not counting the poison dmg after the first turn, making it roughly 150% more effective than the normal archer, costing only 50% more. Also, I have tested it and I noticed that poison archers don't get poisoned when hit by another poison archer. Why?

[Pepe]

It destroys a worker in just 1 turn

[Stratego (dev)]

Also, I have tested it and I noticed that poison archers don't get poisoned when hit by another poison archer. Why?

it was intentional: they have antidote?

It destroys a worker in just 1 turn

yeah, they rock

please give exact ideas of changing (marion already did it, please others do so)

[Archer]

I think being healed by healer/missionary should cure units from poison

[Stratego (dev)]

Yes, it works like this, did u experience other way?

[Mairon]

But there is a problem - poison archer can kill a healer/missionary in one turn, before he can heal anything.

[Stratego (dev)]

yes, you must protect the missionary.

or you suggest missionary should have protection against poison?

[Stratego (dev)]

ok, i have changed the poison archer to deal only -4 damage per turn.

lets see how it works.