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Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:35 am

Was wondering why we don't had made a mounted anti-calvary unit yet for undeads. So i made Undead lancers, stats based on AoS lancers and Undead Knight.
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Undead lancer

Cost: 4
Hp: 26
Attack: 5
Range: 1
Armor: 0
P.Armor: 5
Speed: 4
Sight: 5
Action: 1
Spell Resist: 0%

50% against infantry, 400% againt calvary, 700% against heavy calvary.
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Armored Undead Lancer

Cost: 4
Hp: 32
Attack: 7
Range: 1
Armor: 1
P.Armor: 6
Speed: 4
Sight: 5
Action: 1
Spell Resist: 0%

50% against infantry, 400% againt calvary, 700% against heavy calvary.
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Golden Undead lancer

Cost: 4
Hp: 38
Attack: 9
Range: 1
Armor: 2
P.Armor: 7
Speed: 4
Sight: 5
Action: 1
Spell Resist: 0%

50% against infantry, 400% againt calvary, 700% against heavy calvary.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:23 am

Looks great. Does this mean scaledfolk have to have them too though? Or we keeping with... Oh wait the brute topic that's right.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:40 am

Scalefolk probably should have at least one mounted anti-calvary aswell, but since i'm not into much of the scalefolks, i can't say what they are lacking or not.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:47 am

This can get in easily

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by General Brave » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:31 pm

I'm guessing this is OK.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by StormSaint373 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:55 pm

Pretty good idea... Also compare to raptor riders
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:10 pm

They need different bonuses (based on raptor riders) and a bit lower hp (lower hp of all by 4). But otherwise looks good.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:41 pm

makazuwr32 wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:10 pm
They need different bonuses (based on raptor riders) and a bit lower hp (lower hp of all by 4). But otherwise looks good.
Why does it need different bonuses if raptor riders are light anti-calvary scout units and Undead Lancers are the standard knight (with already -5 health) with a spear? You want me to increase their base damage? (that is the lowest of the kind, making it trully specialized on calvary) So the bonuses can be lowered? I can decrease the health p/lvl to 5 instead of 6, to be same as the undead knight upgrades, but the other part i need more reasons to be convinced to change. So tell me exactly what you want. If you can provide how much you want of bonus and how much you want the base dmg to be increase then post here.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:55 pm
Pretty good idea... Also compare to raptor riders
I guess there is not much to compare, lights/scouts get destroyed by standard units version on battle :twisted: . So the anti-calvary scout is oneshotable by the anti-calvary knight when same levels... But if you want to see it by yourself. These are the stats of raptor riders to comparasion. 8-)

Raptor rider

Cost: 3
Hp: 20
Attack: 8
Range: 1
Armor: 1
P.Armor: 1
Speed: 6
Sight: 7
Action: 1
Spell Resist: 0%
Abilities: Poison weapon

150% againt calvary

it increase 2 atk, 1/1 armor and 4 health per level.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:26 am

It has too much still damage to cavalry:
I don't like bonus. Instead increase damage by 2.

IF @Alexander82 approves it than so be it. But as for me all lancers must have raptor rider's bonus.
NOT ONLY Raptor riders and Bear riders.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:01 pm

I was making some researches about mouted calvary battles, then i noticed that lancers actually have really big spears, and the ones i made on those imgs where looking really small to the size of what it should be, so i changed. The first ones that i made had too much blood, so i made clean weapons this time. But will put the blood soaked ones bcz why not? :lol:
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and
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by StormSaint373 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:07 pm

Whoa! *Gasps in astonishment*

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Savra » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:12 pm

Looks great.
Remember to check the unit ready list for AOF to see for any changes.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Tankhead » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:08 am

What's with the end of the weapons
Fading?

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Typhoon » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:59 pm

Definetely great addition to fearful undead cavalry
Peace was never an option

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Tankhead » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:23 am

Gonna start Jsoning this Also

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by General Brave » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:44 am

Okay then I guess.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Tankhead » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:56 am

@DoomsdayDragonfire
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Please make up y'alls mind on the bonus part

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:25 am

Bonuses must be raptor rider-based ones.
Only. No bonuses to infantries or 700% bonuses to heavy cav...
Instead increase base damage of all by +2 and decrease hp to 25/30/35.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 pm

makazuwr32 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:25 am
Bonuses must be raptor rider-based ones.
Only. No bonuses to infantries or 700% bonuses to heavy cav...
Instead increase base damage of all by +2 and decrease hp to 25/30/35.
Those stats are intended for the undead raptor ones, you probably remember them (i guess). These are intended to be stronger and give a higher punch in battle so 2 having same stats is kinda redundant (for the bad way).
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by General Brave » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:14 am

Well whatever works, having these would be nice.
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by Tankhead » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:13 am

I can't complete The file not knowing the bonus

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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:34 am

No. For now all lancers must have this bonus.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Undead Lancers

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:24 pm

Then until we don't own a category to fit them in, we will have to add und raptor riders first, then these ones later on.
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