Jouster

[Morningwarrior]

Hp:55
Damage:16
Armor:4
Pierce armor:4
Speed:5
Range:2
Sight:6
Cost:6
+200%damage vs mounted units
+25%damge vs melee foot,melee light,archer,anti melee foot and anti archer foot.

[SirPat]

Well we do already have heavy lancers...
Why add jousters
There the same thing

[Morningwarrior]

Yeah,but,jouster is a renaissance unit.he used for duels

[SirPat]

but did these guys faught in the battle field?

[Endru1241]

From my understanding - jouster would be someone specialized in jousting tournaments in equipment designed for them. Jouster would be then late medieval (renaissance was the ending of jousting tournaments) showman. Jousting was great sport, which could also better the lance skills of knights. But jousting equipment was not designed for war. On the contrary jousting armor often had only frontal side part really reinforced (the place were jousting lance could strike).
So no. No jouster in the game imho.

[StormSaint373]

Why not just make as an upgrade to Hvy lancer and call it... "Chevalier"

Which would have

Cost: 4
Hp: 35
Att: 10
Armor: 3/3
Spd: 5 (or 6 if knight gets it on 3rd tier)
Action/Turn: 1
SR: 0

Same bonuses as a Lancer

[Gral.Sturnn]

Gendarme or just "heavy lancer" could fit 2

[Endru1241]

Does Lancer need another upgrade?
Heavy Lancer pretty much decimates cavalry already. And it's not so weak vs other units.
In my opinion rock paper scissor in any strategy, especially TBS should not be absolute (so few disadvantaged units should defeat their nemesis with losses ), while now fully upgraded h. lancer deals 45 base damage to mounted units, so it one-shots any fully upgraded cavalry (save the Cavalier, which is kinda too strong looking at upgrade progression).
Besides I'm pretty sure Chevalier just means Knight in french.

[Gral.Sturnn]

besides the comment on balance, Gendarmes were the epitome of french cavalry (even though they had massive losses)

[Endru1241]

Gendarme would be fine for a name. I just didn't read your post.

[Morningwarrior]

Wow the designer leader of AOS,coment in my post!,i honored thanks endru.

[Morningwarrior]

Is not a upgrade of lancer is only a unit,not a upgrade but is a new unit.

[makazuwr32]

Stats are too high for aos.

[Gral.Sturnn]

The only way to solve this is, to decrease the "normal" damage and then add a charge ability (what cavalry actually did) and then we can balance lancers all round

[LordOfAles]

I say we set topic as ANSWERED. Lancers already fullfil "cavalry which is anti-cavalry" role. And they are very effective at that. If we set the jouster's stats according to real life then his damage would be 3 or 4 at best against other cavalry, if he even manages to hit them.

[Gral.Sturnn]

Well thats maybe true but check my topic

https://www.androidutils.com/forum/view ... 4d0d87b1d5

[Squirrel5555]

Not actually used in combat, therefore could be a fun unit. Thought I'd put it here because I had an image

[Endru1241]

Merged.
I personally feel like fun units should be a little more out of place and jouster eould feel great as weaker lancer map editor unit.
Something like 3 power with +200% with half of lancer bonuses and either 30hp and 3/0 armor or speed 6, 25hp, 2/0 armor.

But I am waiting for fun unit propositions.

[Gral.Sturnn]

great sprite squirrel

[Squirrel5555]

Sounds great, thanks.
Sorry I didn't check if this already existed.

[Morningwarrior]

in reality I was thinking of the jouster being a weaker cavalry than the light cavalry done in 2 turns.
Hp:10
atk:4
Armor0/1
Speed:4
Range:1
Heal bonus:1
Spell resistence:0%
Sigh:6
Cost:2
Actions:1
Bonus +25% vs melle foot and archers foot
Bonus +50% vs mounted units
Bonus + 75% vs elephants.

[Endru1241]

But jouster unit on real battlefield?
How then do we recruit them? Train people to figgt in tournaments and then send them on a real battle.
Or maybe just announce to the world that on specific date in specific place there would be jousting tournament. Various sportsman come and a bummer there is abattle here. Well, fight then. With your frontal only armors, lances designed to not do much damage (to avoid killing the other guy) and horses that would tire themselfes quickly, but look awesome.
No - it cannot be recruitable.
The image looks great, so it can be used on some campaigns where single unit represents single person.
But they don't fit to be regular unit.

[Morningwarrior]

and that in reality now I'm not thinking of making a great knight with an extremely long spear and steel armor, although the image above could also be created referring to another unit of the unique type for each player, which I have in mind and do something more like "a militia assembled done very fast in 2 shifts but with not at all very high status" my intention is now and like that, not to make a very powerful unit although the image shown may generate another unit.

[Endru1241]

Militia-like cavalry for 2 turns seems viable. But needs proper idea and separate topic.
Jouster unit completely doesn't fit that, neither it's topic.

[Gral.Sturnn]

This should stay for map editor

[Squirrel5555]

It is meant to be a fun unit, as I specified in my first post. Take it or leave it.