Dwarven blacksmith tech tree

[Tankhead]

I prefer the way that isn't like humans.
Also let me quickly practice making tech jsons since this will be my first.
Id imagine it's not so hard tho

[Alexander82]

I prefer first variant for ranged->barrel->heavy artillery

Agreed

[Alexander82]

I prefer the way that isn't like humans.

Isn't it already implemented? This way we can just add the additional levels

[Tankhead]

I prefer the way that isn't like humans.

Isn't it already implemented? This way we can just add the additional levels

Oh is it?
Sorry then ( only recognize dwarves really )

[makazuwr32]

I know that you love dwarves a lot, Tankhead, but you must know other races as well. To know better what is going on and such.
Right now dwarves can use human blacksmith upgrades but i think that not all units are affected by upgrades properly.

[Tankhead]

Currently ranged.
Im assuming its a problem Dev or brave will fix eventually

[makazuwr32]

I think armor and shield upgrades also work weird.

[Alexander82]

I will check all jsons and units to see if they are set properly

[makazuwr32]

@Alexander82 while you are still here question:
1. Should dwarves have 4 tiers of armor and 4 tiers of shield upgrades?
2. Should shielded units to be affected by both shield and armor upgrades as they are for humans?

[Alexander82]

1) technically yes but I understand that the final values might be too high so we might give additional levels a different bonus like only a +1 armor and a +1 p.armor (like elven armors) or a deflecting rate (like a 5% dodge melee and dodge ranged each)



2) Yes

[makazuwr32]

I see. Thanks for info.

I think that +1/+1 to armors must be for armor techs on all levels.
As for shields i suggest to make them a bit different:
1-2 level as they are now
3 level +10% to dodge melee and +1 to melee armor
4 level +10% to dodge ranged and +1 to piercing armor

Or if it is possible to make dwarven shield techs to act completely different from human ones even at level 1-2 than:
1,3 level: +1 melee armor, +5% dodge melee, +5% dodge counter
2,4 level: +1 piercing armor, +5% dodge ranged, +5% dodge counter

[Alexander82]

I think that the first 2 are ok to stay like human techs.

the second 2 can be different because the deflection might come thanks to the hardness of the material that makes penetration of a blow more difficult (they can't be basically broken by other races' weapons).

also I forgot to mention that the units currently called mithril should be renamed (all dwarves will employ mithril and adamantium equipment when researched)

so it is good if we want to give +5/+5 dodge per level for 3 and 4

I wouldn't give counter since it is more something based on reflexes and is probably the main elven feature, even more than other kind of dodge.

Dwarves will have the armor and hp to deal with a counterattack

[makazuwr32]

Alright. So

As for shields i suggest to make them a bit different:
1-2 level as they are now
3 level +5% to dodge melee and ranged and +1 to melee armor
4 level +5% to dodge melee and ranged and +1 to piercing armor

This way?

As for mithril units we can use their images as upgraded variants and their buyable places in upgrade tree for defender expansion.

[Alexander82]

If you want we might even make them be like

+1/+1 armor +5/+5 dodge each

You generally are the one that wants to avoid too high armor values, so I took that out of the equation

I'm perfectly fine with a +4/+4 armor too if the units' cost is high enough xD

[makazuwr32]

If unit is affected by both armor and shield upgrades than he will get +8/+8 armor total.
Which as i think is too much.

[Alexander82]

Yep. I agree, that is why I was going with +6/+6 and dodge

[makazuwr32]

So for shield techs +1/+1 to armor at level 1/2 and +5% to dodge melee and range at level 3/4 right?

[Alexander82]

I think it should work. Do you agree?

[makazuwr32]

Yes it will be good enough.
Not too much armor increase (especially on high cost units) while giving them a bit of dodges is intresting way.

Also what do you think about using mithril unit images for upgrades of basic units (tiers) and making in their place defender expansion?

[Alexander82]

I generally prefer for upgrades to look like the previous version of the unit.

They might still be used tough.

Also I'd like the basic unit to have a common style like I did for humans. Also I approve the defender expansion.

[makazuwr32]

Alright.
Updated first post with latest info.
Also question:
What costs must be put for tier 3-4 techs of melee, armor and shield upgrades? 6/7 turns?

Tier 1-2 currently has 4/5 turns cost.

[Alexander82]

Yes, I'd go with the same progression

[makazuwr32]

Updated first post again.

[Savra]

We need new images don't we?

[makazuwr32]

We need new images don't we?

Yes. 12 images in total are required.

[Savra]

So none of are old ones?

I already made the weapons and armor upgrades images so that should remove 8 and leave the remaining 4 to be decided. But some of those images are on first post too.

[makazuwr32]

Oh. Right. Forgot about them.

[Savra]

Approved by Alexander82

Sword upgrades: increases attack of most melee dwarven units by +1 per level. Cost - 4/5/6/7 turns.
Tier 1
Tier 2
Tier 3
Tier 4
Researchable at craftsmans guild.

Armor upgrades: increases armor of most living dwarven units by +1/+1 per level. Cost - 4/5/6/7 turns.
Tier 1
Tier 2
Tier 3
Tier 4
Researchable at craftsmans guild.

Shield upgrades: increases armor of shielded units by +1/+1 at levels 1-2 and gives +5% to dodge melee and ranged at levels 3-4. Cost 4/5/6/7 turns
Tier 1
Tier 2
Tier 3
Tier 4
Researchable at craftsmans guild.

Ranged upgrades: increases damage and range by +1 for most ranged and light gunpowder-based units. Cost - 4/5 turns.
Tier 1
Tier 2
Researchable at craftsmans guild.

Barrel upgrades: increases accuracy of all gunpowder-based units by +10% and attack by +1 per level. Requires Ranged upgrade of same level. Cost - 3/5 turns
Tier 1
Tier 2
Researchable at shooting stand.

Heavy cannons (WiP name): increases attack of big guns of dwarves by +2 per level. Requires Barrel upgrade of same level. Cost - 5/7 turns.
Tier 1
Tier 2
Researchable at tavern.

Thrower upgrades(WiP name): increases attack of dwarven throwers by +1 per level. Requires Ranged upgrade of the same level. Cost - 3/5 turns.
Tier 1
Tier 2
Researchable at shooting stand.

Required images:
Sword upgrades, shield upgrades, armor upgrades - tier 3 and 4;
Barrel upgrades, heavy cannons, thrower upgrades - tier 1 and 2.

And something to replace their reach tech


That's how much we already have so far.

[Savra]

And the final six.

[Savra]

@Alexander82, @makazuwr32 any thoughts?