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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:48 am

Changed name from pier to shipyard, added mend rate and ability to start construction of many ships including ones workers can't. Changed stats (lowered health and construction rate, increased a bit armor).
Added list of availible techs for researching to shipyard.

I'll update bonuses ships have later.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by godOfKings » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:27 pm

Nice, pretty clever, slow techs research and build rate but in the long run (after 22 turns!) can build ships much faster
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:58 pm

I must admit that dwarves even without this upgrade would be best at constructing ships.
Because they have 3 workers with 2 actions. Basic one has 10 mend rate x2, advanced has 16 x2 and master has 20 x2. All of their workers also can be affected by double strike spell (it actually gives +1 action, not doubles amount of them).

Also dwarves have flying transport - zeppelin carrier.

Also i am thinking to lower hp of dwarven ships.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Fad3 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:53 pm

Hmmm...

Lower hp but high armor perhaps?

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:30 pm

Just less hp. They already have rather high armor. Also i want to get rid of most naval bonuses higher than 50%.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Tankhead » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:06 pm

Lower Hp?
Not sure you notice but they already have low Hp
And the ones near 50 hp have a pretty high cost.

If your gonna lower Hp lower the cost
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:55 pm

I did not mean all their ships.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Tankhead » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:23 pm

Does dwarves Pier need renaming?

Like isn't it suppose to be dwarves_Pier.png?
If so please change so I can Json it in
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:07 pm

I think name of image doesn't really matter.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Tankhead » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:14 pm

You sure?
I know for one im suppose to exactly copy the name of image on to the image name
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:22 pm

Oh. I didn't know that.
But can't you download and rename image by yourself?
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Post by Midonik » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:26 pm

Yeah, it needs to be the same, but yeah Tankhead the total commander has an option to change names, so you should be able to rename it.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Tankhead » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:55 pm

Well yea sure I could but for future reference try putting the underscore Savra and anyone else when you put a space in between words
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:32 pm

8-) Noted.

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:27 pm

Here's some ship types that we could use to replace some of the ship names we have here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ship_types

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:35 pm

Btw, Fad was correct when he said the gunboat should be a part of the dwarves starting fleet, instead of warship it should be called a gunboat, gunboats have 2 cannons, one on each side. It's not a modern ship after all, my bad Fad.

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:42 pm

For dwarves gunboat would be too small. If you want to rename warship into gunboat than speed, hp and armor must be halved for same cost. It will become 12-15 hp with 0/2 armor and 2 speed. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FOR 4 TURNS?
Gunboats were in that time were just boats with 2-3 cannons. And without sails (only oar-based they were) = extremly slow.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by General Brave » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:04 pm

How about instead of name in it what it is, just name it something else.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:39 am

I did post a link for different name suggestions.
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Here's some ship types that we could use to replace some of the ship names we have here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ship_types
That way we have some variations, plus it gives me some ideas for sails on their ships.

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Fad3 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:44 am

Gunboats could be any small heavily armed boats tho

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:46 pm

No. If you want gunboats than they will have really poor stats.
Like for 4 turns 12 hp, 2 speed (oar-based vessel), 0/1 armor, 7-9 attack at range 5. Because it is BOAT. It is boat with cannon. Nothing more.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Fad3 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:25 am

That could be arranged, they can be used as swarm units in my opinion also lower the cost to 3 hehe

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Fad3 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:26 am

There are gunboats the size of a yacht fyi has alot of space for troops and equipment and etc...

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by General Brave » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:40 am

That would be fairly decent, also gunboats are various of sizes. To small to large.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Tankhead » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:56 am

I think maka talking about the first gun boats made considering fantasy time really old
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:40 am

Tankhead wrote:
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I think maka talking about the first gun boats made considering fantasy time really old
Yep.
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Gunboats were in that time were just boats with 2-3 cannons. And without sails (only oar-based they were) = extremly slow.
In 15-16 century they were that.
And dwarven tech progress is up to late 16th century.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:44 am

I should get back to making these...

But I think we can remove a few since humans are the dominant supposedly in naval warfare. Unless somethings changed I think we should only implement about 7-5 of these and that should do it. (At least for now.)

I think we should do just
Transport ship
Warship
Frigate
Gnomish submarine
Steamship
Flagship
Morter ship

If anything a work boat could be thought about, we might have to consider it with the sea towns being worked on we would need something to protect it rather then simple ships.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:24 am

A bit later.
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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:43 am

What the new boat suggestion? I figured that.

But about the other ones is that more a better way to go? They all do have cannons so they have the power to back them up so they don't need additional ones. Just a few variants that have just enough differences.

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Re: Dwarven naval fleet

Post by Savra » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:41 pm

Hmm, maybe we should do it this way actually:
The ones we should probably use should be

Dwarf warship
Dwarf flagship
Dwarven scythe (old concept but it was a destroyer)
Morter ship
Steam ship
Gnomish sub
Dwarves transport ship
Dwarf workboat

So far we have these (though some still need editing a bit more.)
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