Jinete - ACCEPTED

[makazuwr32]

it is harder to throw from horse than on foot, thus lower range and cooldown

And believe me, i know what am i talking about.
Yes momentum is higher and because higher damage output. But when you are riding a horse it is much-much-much-much-much harder to throw javelins because 1. horse will not stand still. 2. if while moving this is even harder. Try to shoot precisely from a car when you are moving through forest without road. And it is from current gunpowder weapons, not throwing javelin which has its own weight between 1.5-3 kilogramms.

And because they must either have lower range and 100% to damage target or higher range and a chance to miss. For 4 tiles 20-30% chance. If 5 then 50%.

I tried once ride a horse. It is really hard.

[StormSaint373]

Yes, but also take into account that the Jinete is a trained soldier. I agree with a chance to miss at a long range. It can make for some sketchy combats.

" Jinete throws javalin to finish off near death heavy infantry, but instead the throw goes wide and kills the nearby general"

[makazuwr32]

They are trained for throwing them because non-trained human will not even throw it in the saddle to the right direction.

[StormSaint373]

If we are going in that direction... Make him cost 3

But your statement makes sense.

If he costs 4, does only the damage of a weak swordsman, moves only as fast as heavy cavalry, and has spear range of more accurate axe throwers, don't you think that people would choose other units over this one?

[godOfKings]

Fine, Throw javelin
1 action
1turn cooldown
3 range
10 damage pierce

Wat should b icon for ability same as Maori?

No need miss chance, and with high p armor it is balanced

[godOfKings]

Swordsmen aren't weak, it just they have too many weaknesses

[makazuwr32]

it has for ability range 3 with 100% chance right now to deal damage.
Because of that, desent speed (only few have higher), ranged attack ability with desent damage, better p.armor if comparing to all other mounted units exept of shield knight (but he is slower) i will choose him as support for cavalry rather than archer. also because he is trainable at castles he is better choice than teutonic knight and japan ranged unit.

[StormSaint373]

Ashigarus (butchered the name) have higher damage, longer range...
Teutonics can convert range 1
Camels have fear...

What makes the Jinete stand apart?

[makazuwr32]

Each unit has its own purpose.
This one is pretty good cavalry for castle, better than camel (trains faster, has ranged attack, better speed on non-sand maps) but that doesn't mean that camels will become useless.
AoS is much, much more comlex game.

The only thing that can actually displace from castles all of them is trebushets if your opponent is massing artillery.

[StormSaint373]

I see... Well that makes sense.

What else needs to be done to get this implemented?

I do believe that this debate needs to reach a close for the devs to set up.

[makazuwr32]

Maybe better image.
Right now he looks like a toy. Especially his horse.

[godOfKings]

yes i collected this neutral horse pic from the forums i m not good with drawing them

[godOfKings]

Changed sword angle, I think it looks better now, also added orange hilt

[makazuwr32]

Still to toyish for me.
Maybe redraw him from other cavalry?

[StormSaint373]

Try It from non upgrade Knight and Lancer for best results.

[godOfKings]

samuelch will u try? u can use the helmet of this picture in ur version

[samuelch]

I edit it.

[Puss_in_Boots]

Cool, the rider looks too heavy for his smaller weak horse, but it's a nice image.

[makazuwr32]

That is what i'm talking about.

the rider looks too heavy for his smaller weak horse

That thing below the rider looks more like donkey or pony but not as a horse. With this pony he at most will have speed 3.

[samuelch]

Lighter

[makazuwr32]

Still rider on a donkey.
the rider itself looks good but that donkey...

[samuelch]

To horse head.

[makazuwr32]

Can you change the horse itself? it needs to be bigger.

[godOfKings]

Complete revamp

[makazuwr32]

That looks fine.

[Puss_in_Boots]

His arm could use some team color too.

[godOfKings]

Thanks for trying to fix up the image, it looks much better now

[COOLguy]

Yes this is a different suggestion than the Javelin Knight.

This needs an image and I will accept it to the voting list

[COOLguy]

Accepted

[Stratego (dev)]

accepted please someone make json for it - thanks!