Hoplite with longer spears - ANSWERED

[Lekkerhoor]

Please look to the history and see how strong those hoplites are... and... why...
They had verry long spears
So... those hoplites needs to upgraded, becouse... they are to expensive (7 turns to make) and a much to easy target for kattapults.

1 upgrade is required: Range
The range must upgraded in the siege workshop, becouse they are bulding wood things...
+1 range of hoplite cost 6 turns
next upgrade will be available in church after the Range upgrade, it will be oil...

The upgrade oil will give them the posibilety to heal them selve each turn when not moved or attacked 5 hp.

[DoomCarrot]

Well, melee units are all supposed to have 1 range. However, I agree that they are too weak currently for the price, and a long spear should make them EFFECTIVE against cavalry, not easily killed by cavalry.

[TheBluePhoenix]

Right they are very weak against horsies and elephants

[DoomCarrot]

And strong against buildings.

Which also makes no sense

[godOfKings]

Wat really doesn't make sense is that 3 turn flail can one shot kill Spartans (although i get its armor negating ability but at least make bonus 50% so spartans can survive for 1 HP at least)

[LordOfAles]

Well i always use archers to kill dangerous foes (macemen, flail dudes, etc) then i charge with my strong troops. So i think there is no need for change here

[godOfKings]

Lol u don't atk with flail u defend, u only atk wen u have units like rams and wagons so atkin with flail is late game but imagine u used full HP spartan to atk enemy tower and then next turn it got killed and the only explanation u can get is they have heavy catapult since normal catapult also miss often, but then u wonder how did it die after reaching tower and not b4
Since Spartans use spears let's make it that they have bonus against every unit (horses, infantry, archers) kind of like Viking berserker, but they don't have bonus against building or sieges

[LordOfAles]

The purepose of spartan is to be an elite version of swordsman, not troop razer. If you pair him with a couple of healers that is pain in the neck for enemy (1 heal full life lol)

[godOfKings]

Let's hope the new players know this and don't get scared by armies of hoplites
And anyways wat is the point of this thread then?

[LordOfAles]

The point of this is to get ANSWERED

[godOfKings]

Although history ( explicitly referenced from the movie 300 which is probably wrong ) showed that they were troop razors, not building destroyers

[godOfKings]

It would b a unique unit in itself and would no longer need the max heal ability

[LordOfAles]

Upgrading its capabilities to be able to beat cavalry is troop razing. As you can see he has bonus against infantry, which means he is infantry razer, and he isnt supposed to raze the whole troops category






.....I have no idea what did i just wrote....

[godOfKings]

And if its an elite version of swordsman it shouldn't b strong against swordsman, let's make it the elite version of the voulgir unit instead

[godOfKings]

According to 300 movie they killed elephants so they r troop razers

( again I m taking an inaccurate reference but I don't care )

[godOfKings]

However if I remember correctly they were killed by archers in the end, so.....


Voulgir it is

[LordOfAles]

How the **** can you kill an elephant with pre medieval spear???

[godOfKings]

Dude just write this topic as answered

[LordOfAles]

Thats it! The spartan is a




FOOT CAVALRY!!!

[godOfKings]

Unless we go back in time to see how they survived so long, we will NVR know the truth

[godOfKings]

Wow that was a shock

[COOLguy]

This topic went crazy I think.

To the OP: We are not planning on adding range to melee units as we feel that this would be too great a departure from current mechanics. Personally, I am not sure that the spartan is unbalanced, but if you feel so, please suggest a change that would be more fitting to the game.

For now, I will label this post as ANSWERED

[HugoTheUseles]

According to 300 movie they killed elephants so they r troop razers

( again I m taking an inaccurate reference but I don't care )

I dont thinh xerxes had elephants in the hot gates

[Moh556]

Hey the 300 movie is not true . Belive me
Im iranian and i read our history ...
Spartans have a medium sized spear . And big shield .and the sign V on it means it is crafted by Volkon(greeks sun god and a nice blacksmith for zeus)
In the 300 movie you see a rhino
Xerxes is like stone age humans
Immortals armor and mask is like samurais armor is all black .... and persians are very weak . ALL OF US KNOW PERSIAN EMPIRE WAS THE GREATEST AND BIGGEST AND MOST POWER FUL .
Think a litle an empire like this most have the most powerful warriors . NOW COME AND MAKE A JSON FOR IMMORTAL . PLZ