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Nations

Post by balint » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:18 am

WW II. :
Allies and Axis (I think... I only know the Hungarien name of it)
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Re: Nations

Post by TheWaltsu » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:05 am

WW II
Allies (?): USA, Great Britain (, Soviet Union) (Maybe; China, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland)
Axis: Germany, Italy, Japan (Maybe; Romania(?), Yugoslavia, Bulgaria)

And "neutral(?)" Finland (1941 against Soviet Union, 1944 against Germany)




Axis Vs Allies is good but all of these nations are Great
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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:28 pm

How about three factions: Allies, Axis, and the Soviet bloc.
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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:30 pm

Oh, and don't forget to have the various smaller nations within factions such as Bulgaria, the Ottomans, Vichy France, Brazil, and so on.
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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:12 am

Below is what I hope is a complete and comprehensive list of nations for both wars. If I have overlooked any, I am not being racist ;) I just may have forgotten them - it is just an accident. Exceptions: There were a few cases where I felt that support for the war was negligible (ie Cuba only supplied and allowed US forces to build a base - no active troops) and so I did not include them (so Brazil is one of the few Latin American countries listed).

Anyway please let me know what needs to be changed:

WWI


Allies

Great Britain
France
Russia
Canada
US
Italy
Greece
Serbia
Romania


Central Powers

Germany
Austria-Hungarian Empire
Bulgaria
Ottoman Empire
Bolsheviks



WWII



Allies

Great Britain
Free French
USA
Canada
Australia
Netherlands
Czechoslovakia
Poland
Nationalist China
Belgium
Philippines
Brazil
Mexico
British Protectorate of Palestine (Composed of four regiments of Jews and Arabs) (State of Israel)
Norway
Ukrainian Nationalist Factions


Axis


Germany
Italy
Japan
Bulgaria
Finland
Hungary
Quisling Party (Norway)
The Grand Mufti al-Hassaini (Arab Nationalists)
Romania
Anchluss Forces
German Special Forces (SS and Gestapo)


Soviets

Soviet Union
Belarussian SSR
Georgian SSR
Bulgarian Communist Party
Red China
Ukrainian SSR
Yugoslav Communists
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Re: Nations

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:40 am

we should limit the nations to deal width:

i checked panzer general and these nations were there:
Germany, America, Russia, Britain
(and we can get maybe a few from the smaller armies: Italy, Finland)

the rest should not be dealed with, or only on later updates.

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Re: Nations

Post by patroid » Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:33 pm

Hi
And french must be in.
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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:59 pm

Yes,

It would be impossible to include all the nations listed (and really who wants to mess with everything to make an entire nation list and all just to have the Belgian Army in one map ;) ). I posted the above list just to provoke ideas and conversation for campaign and unit ideas. But since this game is to cover both world wars, it will require much work and nations anyway.

Below is what I would consider the essential nations:

WW1

Central Powers
Austria-Hungarian Empire
German Empire
Allies
Great Britain
France
Russia
USA

WW2

Axis
Germany
Italy
Japan
Allies
Great Britain
France
USA
Soviet Bloc
USSR

I think with this list any campaign from the wars could be created.
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Re: Nations

Post by dust-n-steel » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:02 pm

It would be cool to add a partisan 'nation' with special infantry streghts and tank weaknesses
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Re: Nations

Post by Hardeep » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:57 pm

The french should have a special ability: surrender
stop fighting now and once the place where POWs are taken is destroyed the they fight again :ugeek:
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Re: Nations

Post by ollie444 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:47 pm

Hardeep wrote:The french should have a special ability: surrender
:o lol :o

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Re: Nations

Post by Coronel » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:23 am

Don't forget Canada! We did alot more then the States earlier in the war!
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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:29 am

Coronel wrote:Don't forget Canada! We did alot more then the States earlier in the war!
:lol:

They will be in eventually.
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Re: Nations

Post by Ness » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:20 am

Nations

Allies:
UK
USA
France
Australia
Canada
India
Greece
Soviet union
China
Poland

Axis:
German
Italy
Japan
Romania
Finland

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ww1 nations

Post by Ness » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:00 am

Central powers
German, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman empire, Bulgaria

Allies
Great britain, France, USA, Serbia, Russia, Italy, Romania, Belgia, Greece, Canada, Australia

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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:54 pm

Good job Ness!
But did you see the long list up top?
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Re: Nations

Post by Jqwan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:24 pm

Seems to be too many nations to deal with at first. In my humble opinion it should be limited to ww2 nations for now and should only include the main combatants. French being in there are debatable...they really didn't do much except sit behind the magonit line and get there asses handed to them in a year.... Personally I think we should focus on:



Axis: Germany, Japan, (maybe) Italy

Allies: United States, United Kigdom (which could easily represent Canada, India, Australia etc since they were all commonwealth), China (possibly but it was a big part of the early war vs japs), France( if desired since you guys seem to want them in, but again I would leave them out for now at least).

Comintern: Soviet Union, Communist China (if you guys want an asain Comintern power since Mongolia and Tannu Tuva were super minor)

What u guys think?

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Re: Nations

Post by Jqwan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:26 pm

This way it's not so many nations and not as much work to get an alpha version out there. Really it could be limited to 4-5 if u wanted with just Germany, US, UK, Soviet Union, and Japan as those were the major combatants.

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Re: Nations

Post by Jqwan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:34 pm

I forgot Poland but again that's debatable but what would
Be cool would be a "minor allied power" nation to represent all the small allied countries that got whipped like Poland, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, etc. even possibly a "minor axis power" force to represent Romania/hungry/Bulgaria/ Finland. Although I would like to Finland in there one day since they were awesome and did manage to fight threw the war. They even survived their "alliance" with Germany, which no other nation could claim.... Tl DR the Finns are cool

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Re: Nations

Post by COOLguy » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:52 pm

The Finns survived only because they were geographically isolated. Most of Eastern Europe went the same way as the Finns. They lasted as long as Germany or the USSR didn't want to take the trouble to invade them.
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Post by Transfermium » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:29 am

I suggest the following, for WWII, in terms of priority:
Stage 1(Major Nations):
  • Germany
    Great Britain
    Japan
    СССР
    USA
    Partisan Forces(catch-all for resistance forces, or we could make a partisan group of units that only appear after a nation is attacked)
    Minor forces(to be a catch-all term for nations like Belgium and Thailand, as well to serve as filler until the next nation update)
Stage 2(Minor Nations):
  • France/Free French Forces
    ROC
    Poland
    ANZAC Forces(both Australia and New Zealand were free during WWII, they deserve a 'nation', even if they are grouped together; also, politically both nations were getting closer to the US during the war because of British power waning)
    Canada(why not?)
    Italy
    Vichy France
    Romania
    Bulgaria
    Hungary
    Finland
Stage 3(Even more minor nations):
  • Yugoslavia
    Greece
    Thailand
    PRC
    Brasil
    Ethiopia
    Belgium & Netherlands
    Czechoslovakia
    Norway & Denmark
    Puppet states?
Stage 4: any other nations requested/modded.
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Re: Nations

Post by Oohps » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:05 pm

There are two issues that make the nation concept problematic. First most nations used enemy equipment when available. They also bought weapons here and there. Sovjet used large numbers of shermans, some sources claiming several tenth of thousands reaching the front. Finland captured and redesigned large numbers of Russian tanks. In Africa both sides used units of enemy vehicles left due to gas shortages.

The other issue is that all weapons came in many different varieties and were used very differently. The 88 used very successfully for anti aircraft and anti Tank service by the Germans had almost identical counterparts in the British weaponry but they only used it once (tobruk) in the anti tank role.

I think we can separate nations and weapons to begin with. If you want you can always choose to use only one nations weapons. Just look at all these different infantry troops we could be forced to create. I think only use one nations weapons should be one of those restrictions like many or few cities.

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Re: Nations

Post by Prof_GamerARCHIVED » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:56 pm

Heres a correct list of all the nations that participated in the war.

Allies:
USA
England
France
Australia
Canada
Greece
Norway
Denmark


Axis Powers:
Germany
Italy
Japan
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Spain
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Re: Nations

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:16 pm

what about Russians?

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Re: Nations

Post by Prof_GamerARCHIVED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:03 pm

Russia never joined the allies, neither the axis powers.
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Re: Nations

Post by LordOfAles » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:28 pm

It can be an independent country
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Re: Nations

Post by Midonik » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:44 pm

Its a best idea,we cloud also make USSR faction-comitern,but there werent any bigger nations in it,mongolia and tanu-tuwa only,non worth to add,lets make them not belong to any faction.
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Re: Nations

Post by Prof_GamerARCHIVED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:10 pm

LordOfAles wrote:It can be an independent country
Or better make them have their own alliance?
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Re: Nations

Post by Midonik » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:11 pm

Professional_Gamer wrote:
LordOfAles wrote:It can be an independent country
Or better make them have their own alliance?
Midonik wrote:Its a best idea,we cloud also make USSR faction-comitern,but there werent any bigger nations in it,mongolia and tanu-tuwa only,non worth to add,lets make them not belong to any faction.
I wrote about that.
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Re: Nations

Post by Prof_GamerARCHIVED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:17 pm

Midonik wrote:
Professional_Gamer wrote:
LordOfAles wrote:It can be an independent country
Or better make them have their own alliance?
Midonik wrote:Its a best idea,we cloud also make USSR faction-comitern,but there werent any bigger nations in it,mongolia and tanu-tuwa only,non worth to add,lets make them not belong to any faction.
I wrote about that.
I read your comment after i uploaded mine
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