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Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:35 pm
by Lynx Shafir
HOT Air Balloon-

Balloons for human air warfare
Simple balloon - Not ship.

Build :siege workshop /town
Carry cap 1-2?
Medium cost 4-6 no more.
Splash dmg-area attack.(throwing little bombs or Stg?)
Speed 4-6? (obviosly slower than ornithopher but more hp )



NOT copy from dwarfs - humans are enougn ingenious to have own flying flotta - weaker of course. (future flying ships tipe)
Good alternative for ornithopher - if research Flying-
.
Let's make a flying siege vehicle for humans.
Who is with me?
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Basic 1
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Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:20 pm
by General Brave
I fully support the idea, it just what would this be? I would support transport but how about anti-air or ground assault. We have multiple versions of these balloons. Also perhaps it would be easy to design these if we just go along with the picture.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:23 pm
by LordOfAles
Wouldn't humans need gunpowder to drop bombs? And as far as i remember they have it only in aos and it doesnt fit fantasy setting. Maybe drop some fiery things.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:44 pm
by General Brave
Maybe you can research Fireball, that gives it the ability to you know Fireball.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:47 pm
by Lynx Shafir
A more Complex design if you want lol
Perhaps an upgrade
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And Ales, For xplosive attack
We can add fire blows, or a resech tec for bombarding.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:53 pm
by General Brave
That's a airship.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:59 pm
by Lynx Shafir
Indeed, but looks cool.
For balloon keep a simple design like first pic.
This is for wings and propellers upgrade.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:05 pm
by General Brave
I see, anyone know any stats or any other abilities?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:39 pm
by godOfKings
How about a wizard throwing fire balls from the balloon?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:49 pm
by General Brave
That was the idea, perhaps two?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:39 pm
by makazuwr32
Uhm i will think a bit later on this. I like idea of giving more units to humans which require flight tech.

Also i want to rebalance ornithopters

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:11 am
by makazuwr32
Hot air balloon:

Cost 5 turns, trainable at tc, castle. Flying unit, needs flying tech researched first.
Hp - 40, burnable
Attack - 6, 100% bonus to giants, 50% bonus to regular buildings, 100% to walls, 200% to towers, 700% to mega buildings
Range - 4
Actions/turn - 2
Armor - 0/1
Speed - 4
Sight - 9
Carry capacity - 2 (can carry only infantries and archers, can't carry mechanical units and cavalry, units inside can't perform any actions – like in the wagon)
Burning weapon passive (forgot to add...)
Affected by blacksmith's bow upgrades only.

Also ornithopters rebalancing:
Cost - 4 turns
Hp - 15
Attack - 21, 50% bonus to ships, mechanical units (catapults, dwarven zeppelins...)
Actions/turn - 1
Range - 1
Armor - 1/1
Dodge counter - 50%
Speed - 8 (lowered from current by 2)
Sight - 10
Affected by blacksmith's infantry armor upgrades only.

Comment: i don't like idea of mages on balloon casting fireballs. This way as i suggest it will become not so bad support siege unit that can also transport your imperials exept of knight.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:21 am
by Lynx Shafir
It seems good.
But Wat kind of attack has, for range 5?
An Archer inside.. Than bonuses don't fit.
For bombarding,they fit but that needs lesser range, (Skill range 2)

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:20 am
by makazuwr32
Damage type - piercing, bonuses fit good because it is hard to hit cavalry or infantry from that height but big units like giants much easier as well as buildings.
Still hard to shoot precise other flying units and because no bonus to them.

As for attack range i think 4 will be a bit better.

And remember that this unit is for air support and transporting units only.
And last thing - this unit has no active skills.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:17 am
by Lynx Shafir
If it's a simple balloon with arrow attack than bonus have no sense to building.
Burning weapon - okay that resolve the problem.
Also I think it's bad idea to carry wizard with fireball skill.
But for bombarding is still reasonable ability (we can add in future if change our mind. Or to a flying ships anyway)

I think the stats are ready.
Focus on image.

Can pass over walls?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:46 am
by General Brave
Perhaps it should Passover things?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:43 am
by makazuwr32
it is just a regular flying unit.
As all other ones.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:50 am
by General Brave
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Here is a test, worry not the name.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:59 am
by General Brave
How do you mention someone?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:01 am
by General Brave
@MightyGuy
@Hyacintho
Perhaps both of you can try your hands at this?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:53 pm
by Lynx Shafir
L.

Idk ist too big?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:35 pm
by General Brave
Good, it looks great enough.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:53 am
by Savra
Maybe make balloon smaller?

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:08 am
by General Brave
Well if it's not possible to make it any smaller I would recommend extending the height so the balloon can be higher.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:18 pm
by Savra
Isn't it at 64 though? But I believe it would be possible to shorten it a bit.

Re: Hot Air balloon.-

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:05 pm
by General Brave
Well it can be double but whatever makes it nicer.