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Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:45 pm

Okay then, hopefully you can help us here perhaps?
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:56 pm

Sure
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Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:01 pm

You're definitely good at making units, maybe you can help us feel some images of accepted things.
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:51 am

Added the transparent background on both, now it is really up to changes :lol:
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Post by General Brave » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:05 am

Great, these are perfect.
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Post by Tankhead » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:20 am

Weird that this isn't listed as IMPLEMENTED
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Post by General Brave » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:37 am

Because no one has time to, I at least should get power of moderator so I could start changing these.
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Post by LordOfAles » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:12 pm

bumping this
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Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:40 am

What's stats, Since they don't have any blacksmith upgrades nor any other upgrades that would make these units too op I don't see a problem with having this archer. If there is any other controversy with this you could always not give it a power range and just make it have armour piercing. And maybe you could give him fear arrows if it won't be too much and maybe 5 range since undead aren't supposed have good ranged and then you could probably balance the rest with the phantoms and imperial crossbowmen. To me a second ranged unit to the undead in a elite pack makes sense since they are supposed to be elite versions of the basic starter units. Don't need a cav because the death knight basically took that role. Btw are they going to be added to the mansion?
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Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:26 am

Heck you could probably give him the stats the imperial crossbow men started out with and probably just raise his life and cost, you know something like
Cost:5
Hp:30
Atk:10
Rng:5
Sight:6
Arm:3
P.Arm:3
Res:100%
Act:1/1
Spd:3
Same bonuses as imperial crossbowmen whatever those are.
Abilities:
Fear weopen? Yes or No
If yes then 20% chance? Unless you want it instant or different ability?
No power rng, if applied or none at all. (Preferable)
Since they don't have any upgrades to make them as good as the uruk archer x3 or imperial crossbow men at his max, and since the elven elite archer also benefits from elven upgrades I don't see this guy being that much of a problem in terms of undeads horrible ranged units. He'd be at 5 range while uruk will be at 9 as well as the elf, and the imperial will be at 8, with his power rng added mind you. By this it's pretty even to me.
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Post by Typhoon » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:15 pm

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Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:26 am
Heck you could probably give him the stats the imperial crossbow men started out with and probably just raise his life and cost, you know something like
Cost:5
Hp:30-40
Atk:10
Rng:5
Sight:6
Arm:3
P.Arm:3
Res:100%
Act:1/1
Spd:3
Same bonuses as imperial crossbowmen whatever those are.
Abilities:
Fear weopen? Yes or No
If yes then 20% chance? Unless you want it instant or different ability?
No power rng, if applied or none at all. (Preferable)
Since they don't have any upgrades to make them as good as the uruk archer x3 or imperial crossbow men at his max, and since the elven elite archer also benefits from elven upgrades I don't see this guy being that much of a problem in terms of undeads horrible ranged units. He'd be at 5 range while uruk will be at 9 as well as the elf, and the imperial will be at 8, with his power rng added mind you. By this it's pretty even to me.
Chances to cause fear sounds interesting and helpful when dealing with dragons
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Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:44 pm

Plus it won't be like banshee's scream which only works if the target has any res below 100%. It could basically make up for the lack in rng and p.rng.
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Post by General Brave » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Sounds like a decent idea.
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:53 pm

Agreed.
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:53 am

Are phantoms supposed to be getting blacksmith style techs or what.
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Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:56 am

No i think.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:00 am

Oh, darn a waste of good images. O well anyone they can be used for something else I guess.
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Post by General Brave » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:04 am

Pretty sure the guy wants upgrades for these units.
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:37 am

Would these suit or is it a miss?
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Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:51 am

i am thinking about different upgrades for phanoms and as a part of whole undeads upgrades.
I won't spoil much for now before we will update elves though.
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:56 pm

You talking about those cursed upgrades? Or something else?
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Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:59 pm

No they won't be blacksmith-like upgrades. These ones will be different, special upgrades for each unit.

More like reach upgrade of humans affects only 2 units similar is here but with different targets and different effects.
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:29 pm

Oh, I see this ought to be intresting.
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Post by Savra » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Maybe I should make some campaign maps? But I need that Phantom crossbowmen or its just going to look weird with phantoms having imperial crossbowmen. At least make it a map editor unit until elves get their sentinels.
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Post by Savra » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:42 pm

Maybe might change it's passive ability to slowing or something to that effect.
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Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:39 pm

Update time.
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Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:41 pm

Image
Phantom Bull Knight.
Cost: 8
Hp: 70/70
Attack power: 25
Range: 1
Armor: 6
Pierce Armor: 6
Speed: 6
Sight: 7
Action /turn: 1/1
Spell resistance: 50%
Size: 1x1

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Phantom Crossbowman.
Cost: 4
Hp: 20/20
Attack power: 10
Range: 1
Armor: 3
Pierce Armor: 3
Speed: 3
Sight: 4
Action /turn: 1/1
Spell resistance: 50%
Size: 1x1

Image
Phantom Mail Knight.

Image
Phantom Hammer Guard.
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Don't forget this one too!
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Post by General Brave » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:42 am

Discussed stats.
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Post by Savra » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:56 am

What's that mall knight supposed to be?
As for hammer improbably make it an anti giant and armour unit.
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