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Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pm

Mines

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HP 50
Arm 2/6
Sight 1
Mend b.
Constr b.
Carry 2

Function - trains money currier tipe units, miners
Costly 8 - 10 action with basic rate
Has 1 capacity, and should not burn?
counts as factory

Buildable on rocky terrain (may with tech : 'prospectology'unlocks building on plain too)
Constructed by miner unit

Miner
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Cost 3, TC, mines
HP 16
Atk 3
Arm 0
Spd 3
Sight 4
Mend 3
resistance 0 %
Build list, mine, tunnel, trench


Carts -works as money courier
Speeds up production
Hp 20
Arm 1/5

Speed 3( +1roads)
(can enter wagons)

If randomised :
Cost 3

Gold and silver cart 25%
-2 turns
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Coal cart 35%(possible to make only enter blacksmith? )
-1 turns
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Gem cart, 15%
-3 turns
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Think either works as auxiliary training way - random with 3 cost /between 2-4

Cart and mines are in a pack, for buying in upg
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:57 pm

I'll fill the blank parts later

Here's some img
Mine,

Think this rocky design fits best for current mountains,

And 2 carts
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:17 am

I only think mineshaft must act as regular factory, not as separate building type.

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:12 am

Coal cart - speeds up blacksmith only
(may advancement center too)

Sacrifice next to building...
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Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:43 am

Some more img
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:53 pm

Money courier like is okay, but not gem cart - even with super low chance as you can have as many mines as space, players would leave one AI barely alive, fill map with mines and farm. Boring.
And could discourage from normal playing some players who needs gems.
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:47 pm

somewhere i made a susggestion of a building that can beb built next to ally tc to share techs and maybe production or something.
what if use this building and cart to do that?

in AOK there was a "market" and "caravan" units to carry gold here and there and that was an extra gold resource - i thought of a similar.

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:00 pm

Goldmine is planned building for dwarves so for aof no.

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:15 pm

i have nowhere saw dwarves lol :)
at least in topic title should be if there is not separate category

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:18 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:47 pm
somewhere i made a susggestion of a building that can beb built next to ally tc to share techs and maybe production or something.
what if use this building and cart to do that?
This is a mine, built on Mountainsand produces "random" money courier.

For "trading" either market or alliance Hall fits best both from logic and logistic view
Carts may get a role there thouh..
Money courier like is okay, but not gem cart - even with super low chance as you can have as many mines as space, players would leave one AI barely alive, fill map with mines and farm. Boring.
And could discourage from normal playing some players who need gems
It's build on mountains
I think still fun to keep if has low chances.
If you really one to accumulate gems from this (1-2 per cart with 5%)you need to grind whole day,for some, better play camping maps. Lol
But if you get one eventually it's a nice encouragement,for those don't playing online games . and need lille more gems.
Those who like campaigns won't renunce playing em
I see no problem here

What do you think @Stratego (dev)?
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:47 pm

sorry but there must be misunderstanding: no building should give gems ever.

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:24 am

Fine than.
It will be the best booster than

Miner
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Endru1241 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:04 am

Idea - why not make it build by normal worker?
Miner could be added as map editor unit.
It seems such a waste to train unit only for building mines - in exchange we could increase build time a little (lower construction bonus).
Besides - worker is specialized in building structures, but miner is more related to mining - so he should not be building mines, but work at them systematically.
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:34 pm

You know "building " a mine means digging tunnels what exactly this unit does.

BTW it will be able to build actual tunnels,
And water - trenches (if implement so)too.


I want workers not able to do so, this way you need to invest a bit , not just using your left over workers anywhere.like in case of catapults.

If I update first post all will be clearer
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:19 am

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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Endru1241 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:32 pm

Ok. I tried to add this, but it seems game engine only allows PROD_SPEEDUP spec on unit.
It doesn't have any parameters and halves production time.

I started thinking about possible ways to implement it anyway and came with something like that:
35% Salt cart - no production speedup, only +1 to mercenary leaving time (or should it be +2?)
30% Mineral cart (Coal image) - no production speedup, has self sacrificing ability increasing Mend rate for some number of turns, can target workers, laborers (+10 mend for 3-4 turns maybe?)
20% Silver cart - regular production speedup - money courier equivalent
10% Gold cart - no production speedup, but has ability which summons money courier and transforms it into silver cart version with changed graphic (half filled gold cart)
5% Gem cart - the same as gold cart, but transforms in another version with summon ability, which in turn transforms to silver cart equivalent.

@Lynx Shafir Your latest mine image includes snow version and grass version, but I think it should be one universal - that's what I attached.

Also, producing miner - I don't think it would be good to make mines self replicable.
If we are doing building doing some production, but not being counted as a factory, then it would better not train any builder.

Also - when stratego adds a way to change terrain by unit, then miner could be very useful.
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Re: Mines and related stuff

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:40 pm

good news in AOF we are planning to make some special setting on buildings (addably by effect, or aura or by default on specific factories) that can increase production rate in town or decrease)

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