Skirmisher upgrade cost reduction IMPLEMENTED

[godOfKings]

Honestly speaking 6 turn for upgrading skirmisher is too much wen catapults r more effective at killing archers, their damage is too low against other units, even for defending shielder is more useful, and skirmisher is cannon fodder to even the weakest cavalry, all in all, i think their upgrade cost should b as cheap as spearman at 3 turns

[SirPat]

True

[Stratego (dev)]

good for me, lets ask @Endru1241

[Endru1241]

I agree.
I am only concerned if it wouldn't be too less if skirmishers gets +1 speed and +25% damage bonus vs mounted (as disscussed in Skirmisher bonuses tune-up)

In case of overall skirmisher boost - would 4 turn upgrade tech be more fitting?

[godOfKings]

Even with bonus, max upgraded skirmisher only deals 1 more than archer and same damage as max long bowman, in which case its still better to use higher range archers against cavalry, speed might b useful, wat about also making skirmisher horseman have 6 speed?

[Endru1241]

Even with bonus, max upgraded skirmisher only deals 1 more than archer and same damage as max long bowman, in which case its still better to use higher range archers against cavalry, speed might b useful

Yeah - arbalest is still better, but with 3 upgrade time it would have to be compared with crossbowman - and I think master skirmisher is slightly superior then.

wat about also making skirmisher horseman have 6 speed?

That's what I'm indenting.

After all, I started to calculate and additionally slightly increased upgraded skirmishers bonus vs archers.
Look at Skirmisher bonuses tune-up and please tell if 3 turns for upgrade is still OK.

[godOfKings]

As long as base dmg and hp is still low, its ok

[Stratego (dev)]

I agree.
I am only concerned if it wouldn't be too less if skirmishers gets +1 speed and +25% damage bonus vs mounted (as disscussed in Skirmisher bonuses tune-up)

In case of overall skirmisher boost - would 4 turn upgrade tech be more fitting?

sorry i didt not think of making it to be 3 turns but a only a few turns cheaper than 6, but whatever you think is good.

[godOfKings]

sorry i didt not think of making it to be 3 turns but a only a few turns cheaper than 6, but whatever you think is good.

The thing is that once catapult becomes common skirmisher loses its usefulness against archers, especially as elite longbow man deals 10 dmg, enough to kill any archer wounded by catapult area damage, from safer distance

On the side note i suggest to raise upgrade cost of longbow man to 6 turns, combined with high morale and religious fervent they become too deadly