trebuchet why can't it kill a pikeman ANSWERED

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trebuchet why can't it kill a pikeman ANSWERED

Post by SirPat » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:53 pm

:P Trébuchet's should deal 40 :shock: ? Damage
Or just enough damage to one hit a spartan hoplite cause
In game trebuchet's are useless against most infantry
IT TAKES TWO HITS FROM A TREBUCHET TO KILL A PIKEMAN THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE
So higher dmg and lower Bonuses
P.S. heavy trebuchet would deal 50 dmg

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Re: TREBUCHET'S THROWS BIG ROCKS BUT WHY CAN'T IT KILL A PIKEMAN?!

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:04 pm

Imagine there is a big stone falling at you from great high. Everyone would manage to avoid it. You would only get damage when it hits at ground from broken pieces.

I believe current damage represent that.
On the contrary I would lower catapult damage too (the only siege weapons in history used against armies were ballistas and small catapults filled with many tiny rocks )

Edit: before gunpowder of course.
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Re: TREBUCHET'S THROWS BIG ROCKS BUT WHY CAN'T IT KILL A PIKEMAN?!

Post by LordOfAles » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:04 pm

And it's just balancing. They are meant to be exclusively against buildings. Otherwise trebuchet spam would be the only viable tactic.
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Re: TREBUCHET'S THROWS BIG ROCKS BUT WHY CAN'T IT KILL A PIKEMAN?!

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:09 pm

please lowercase the topic subject it is not allowed to write on forum with capital letters - thanks!

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Re: trebuchet's throws big rocks but why can't it kill a pikeman

Post by SirPat » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:55 pm

Endru1241 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:04 pm
Imagine there is a big stone falling at you from great high. Everyone would manage to avoid it. You would only get damage when it hits at ground from broken pieces.
Then that would be area damage? Right?
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Re: trebuchet's throws big rocks but why can't it kill a pikeman

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:24 pm

Not in this case - one tile may represent space of like 2.5x2.5 meters, maybe even more like 5x5, so why would a trebuchet have area damage exceeding 1 tile area, when rocks used for this siege weapon were not so big and effective splash range was maybe 2-3meters (most pieces were just thrown up in the air)?

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Re: trebuchet's throws big rocks but why can't it kill a pikeman

Post by SirPat » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:37 pm

Oh cause I thought a tile represents about like a few feet?? Don't make sense right? ,cause I got messed up about ballistas when i learned they have Area damage so i thought tiles were small cause how would a ballista bolt affect nearby units? Ballista bolts (arrows?) Were not thick so
Yeah i didn't knew that
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Re: trebuchet's throws big rocks but why can't it kill a pikeman

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:21 pm

it's not a fact. It's just as I imagine this (horseman fits in one tile, well elephant too).

About area damage - I think it's purely balancing change (original was designed not to have area damage viewtopic.php?f=192&t=427&sid=838dc8a1f ... 7ccd80edc5).

I'd like to think it represents piercing effect (in history ballistae shot easily gotten through few men) joined in with tactic of firing two bolts with wire between them or line with small spikes/blades (don't remeber any historical evidence of using it, but I would).

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Re: trebuchet's throws big rocks but why can't it kill a pikeman

Post by Morningwarrior » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:01 am

Pikeman have 11 hp and trebuchet have 10 damage.
11-10=1 XD
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Re: trebuchet why can't it kill a pikeman ANSWERED

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:05 am

i think that is answered, it has a very good reason being like this.

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Re: trebuchet why can't it kill a pikeman ANSWERED

Post by SirPat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:22 am

Thanks for adding the heavy trebuchets that can kill pikemen because of there 12 base dmg I knew you guys would help me ;) ;) :lol:
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