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Hoplite with longer spears - ANSWERED

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:11 pm
by Lekkerhoor
Please look to the history and see how strong those hoplites are... and... why...
They had verry long spears
So... those hoplites needs to upgraded, becouse... they are to expensive (7 turns to make) and a much to easy target for kattapults.

1 upgrade is required: Range
The range must upgraded in the siege workshop, becouse they are bulding wood things...
+1 range of hoplite cost 6 turns
next upgrade will be available in church after the Range upgrade, it will be oil...

The upgrade oil will give them the posibilety to heal them selve each turn when not moved or attacked 5 hp.

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:35 pm
by DoomCarrot
Well, melee units are all supposed to have 1 range. However, I agree that they are too weak currently for the price, and a long spear should make them EFFECTIVE against cavalry, not easily killed by cavalry.

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:52 am
by TheBluePhoenix
Right they are very weak against horsies and elephants

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:42 pm
by DoomCarrot
And strong against buildings.

Which also makes no sense :lol:

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:22 pm
by godOfKings
Wat really doesn't make sense is that 3 turn flail can one shot kill Spartans (although i get its armor negating ability but at least make bonus 50% so spartans can survive for 1 HP at least)

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:04 am
by LordOfAles
Well i always use archers to kill dangerous foes (macemen, flail dudes, etc) then i charge with my strong troops. So i think there is no need for change here

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:31 am
by godOfKings
Lol u don't atk with flail u defend, u only atk wen u have units like rams and wagons so atkin with flail is late game but imagine u used full HP spartan to atk enemy tower and then next turn it got killed and the only explanation u can get is they have heavy catapult since normal catapult also miss often, but then u wonder how did it die after reaching tower and not b4
Since Spartans use spears let's make it that they have bonus against every unit (horses, infantry, archers) kind of like Viking berserker, but they don't have bonus against building or sieges

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:35 pm
by LordOfAles
The purepose of spartan is to be an elite version of swordsman, not troop razer. If you pair him with a couple of healers that is pain in the neck for enemy (1 heal full life lol)

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:08 pm
by godOfKings
Let's hope the new players know this and don't get scared by armies of hoplites
And anyways wat is the point of this thread then?

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:11 pm
by LordOfAles
The point of this is to get ANSWERED 8-)

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:12 pm
by godOfKings
Although history ( explicitly referenced from the movie 300 which is probably wrong :P ) showed that they were troop razors, not building destroyers

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:14 pm
by godOfKings
It would b a unique unit in itself and would no longer need the max heal ability

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:15 pm
by LordOfAles
Upgrading its capabilities to be able to beat cavalry is troop razing. As you can see he has bonus against infantry, which means he is infantry razer, and he isnt supposed to raze the whole troops category :)






.....I have no idea what did i just wrote....

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:17 pm
by godOfKings
And if its an elite version of swordsman it shouldn't b strong against swordsman, let's make it the elite version of the voulgir unit instead

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:19 pm
by godOfKings
According to 300 movie they killed elephants so they r troop razers

( again I m taking an inaccurate reference but I don't care :twisted: )

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:22 pm
by godOfKings
However if I remember correctly they were killed by archers in the end, so.....


Voulgir it is :twisted:

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:22 pm
by LordOfAles
How the **** can you kill an elephant with pre medieval spear???

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:24 pm
by godOfKings
Dude just write this topic as answered :lol:

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:24 pm
by LordOfAles
Thats it! The spartan is a




FOOT CAVALRY!!!

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:25 pm
by godOfKings
Unless we go back in time to see how they survived so long, we will NVR know the truth

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:26 pm
by godOfKings
Wow that was a shock

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:37 pm
by COOLguy
This topic went crazy I think.

To the OP: We are not planning on adding range to melee units as we feel that this would be too great a departure from current mechanics. Personally, I am not sure that the spartan is unbalanced, but if you feel so, please suggest a change that would be more fitting to the game.

For now, I will label this post as ANSWERED

Re: Hoplite with longer spears

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:23 pm
by HugoTheUseles
godOfKings wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:19 pm
According to 300 movie they killed elephants so they r troop razers

( again I m taking an inaccurate reference but I don't care :twisted: )
I dont thinh xerxes had elephants in the hot gates

Re: Hoplite with longer spears - ANSWERED

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:49 pm
by Moh556
Hey the 300 movie is not true . Belive me
Im iranian and i read our history ...
Spartans have a medium sized spear . And big shield .and the sign V on it means it is crafted by Volkon(greeks sun god and a nice blacksmith for zeus)
In the 300 movie you see a rhino :shock:
Xerxes is like stone age humans :/
Immortals armor and mask is like samurais :/ armor is all black .... and persians are very weak . ALL OF US KNOW PERSIAN EMPIRE WAS THE GREATEST AND BIGGEST AND MOST POWER FUL .
Think a litle an empire like this most have the most powerful warriors . NOW COME AND MAKE A JSON FOR IMMORTAL . PLZ :lol: :lol: