Civilian stuff.

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Civilian stuff.

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:39 pm

I was thinking on ways to improve our campaigns... And one way to enrich them is that we need to add more civilian stuff on this, maybe groups of 3, with many, many variants... Eg.

- French civilians,
- British civilians,
- German civilians,
- Italian civilians,
- (Europeans in general)

- Farmers, mechanics, doctors and others...
- Children aswell...
- Wild/farm/pet animals...
- Civilian vehicles (bikes, cars, trucks, tractors, animals...)

- Maybe a mix of them aswell, as 2 kids and a dog or 2 farmers and a truck or one woman, one kid and a dog...

I think we can use those farm stuff of 32px from other versions but by making them in groups of 3 inside of 64px. At least it is a start...

Also, if someone is able to make tiles... Those will definitely help as need more... To begin.

Roads, we only have one with grass, we must make those with other backgrounds aswell...

Grassless aka "Dirty" tiles (something like volcano/lava tiles but less darker)

Town pavement to make streets and squares look better...

Buildings are welcome... But perhaps, an autotiling building like those rocks from aos/aof might be the best choice for towns.
Breaking the barrier of "work for the job" to "put the job to work for you" is a thing that i want to reach someday aswell... Probably i should make some notes about it...
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:19 pm

very good ideas!
please make some!

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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:05 pm

Right, made 3 new roads with the grassy one, i'm looking to a tile for the town pavemented areas to make street tiles. Anyone up to help on search?
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Terrain - Volcanic Roads.png
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:31 am

nice!
but we have more road tiles, see here, i suggest making all to make nice roads (and if u keep the alignment than it is easier to jsonize the tiles.
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:35 am

Ok, here it is, fixed some contact parts on the original one, now i'm looking for one or more tiles for town pavement...
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Terrain - All Roads - Volcanic.png
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Terrain - All Roads - Snow.png
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:14 pm

i was thinking about a "decoration" road.

meaning you can put it onto any terrain - drawback: you can not put other decoration to the road - like a stonepile or something.

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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:26 am

Yeah, i know, i was using this base make them:
Terrain - All Roads - Clear.png
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Tho, that drawback is quite bad to create maps in some cases, i think it work as momentaneous thing... It will help until a specific tileset is made for it (Like the cliff ones). But i think we could have it working in both ways like those montains. As background and decoration...

Well in any case, i think you can add those above and if someone else come up with new tile, they could be added to merge within the background untill a specific tileset is created to them... And also, there will be a ready-road base for it. So that will help decrease the work.

Like this test-tile i'm making for the towns, i pick a random tile and fill it on a canvas of 384x192 (same as road)
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And add the roads to get this result:
Terrain - All Roads - Concrete tile 7.png
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Btw i still haven't created the tile i'm looking, i'm on the 9th attempt for a good pavemented tile. :(
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:52 pm

Like, roads as decoration will be bad if we have railroads as decoration aswell, bcz there will be parts that will require crossing between them, so we still can have them that way, but it will interfere with other things, so i prefer to keep them with normal tiles... Btw as soon as i find a good tile for the towns, i will be making the railroads ones, tho, i'm not sure what color or size i must do for it, also if a single path or dual path will be better for it...
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:38 am

railroad-road crossing can be problem this way too. (u need special tiles for it and current autotile logic will not handle it properly) - or railroad would be decoration?
however i still feel that decorative roads could be the solution to avoid many many terrain types to make as background.

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Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:18 pm

Here's a better idea: make them units! They'll act like bridges for trains and be constructed by engineers in one turn. This also allows for enemy sabotage of railroads, how about that?
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:29 pm

good and possible idea

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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:46 am

Stratego (dev) wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:38 am
railroad-road crossing can be problem this way too. (u need special tiles for it and current autotile logic will not handle it properly) - or railroad would be decoration?
however i still feel that decorative roads could be the solution to avoid many many terrain types to make as background.
Railroads would be decorations, they should be above the roads so you can actually see that it is a railroad, so by having roads as decorations too, you would make impossible to make crossing on some terrains...
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:18 pm
Here's a better idea: make them units! They'll act like bridges for trains and be constructed by engineers in one turn. This also allows for enemy sabotage of railroads, how about that?
That's interesting, but i believe that railroads should be neutral, but objects as train-station buildings and trains could have sides... As decoration, you can actually build caltrops, mines or walls over them to block the path or suggest new objects to simulate exactly what effect are you looking.
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Re: Civilian stuff.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:22 am

rail: ok, but currenly player can not build railroads if they are decorations

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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:47 pm

I guess allowing the player to Build up railroads and trains on mid-match can be really cool but i think it would not work very well and not as effective as it could for now with current mechanics, but perhaps it is, but i think it might take too much efforth for an average result... Like, a separated Flux for rail units like for water ones - so trains can't move outside it - might be easy to do, or not... But still would need to make it also have to allow:

- Any ground and air units be able to stay and bypass in a tile with it like a bridge. But Not only by the one who build it but also from both allieds and foes. Otherwise it would be a spam of invisible 1 turn "walls" on the game...

- Train station and trail factory must be a tile next to the railroads for it to be usefull. Lonelly groups on engineers can't build trains from rocks of the battlefield. So they would require factories with rails next to them...

So for now, i think them as decorations is better bcz we don't have the units and mechanics for it... And bcz as decorations you can actually stay, bypass and build over it without problems. So perfect for Map-Editor maps...
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 am

i see your point, you are probably right.

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