Spartan Hoplite reskin IMPLEMENTED

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Spartan Hoplite reskin IMPLEMENTED

Post by SirPat » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:00 am

I think it needs a reskin
And please post here the img of spartan hoplite
So that i'll try to edit it
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:26 pm

I kinda like current one, but it may be pure sentiment. Let's see what we'll get.
Here's the image.
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:45 pm

it was reskinned a few months ago

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:25 pm

Oh, that's right. It feels the same, but actual old image was this:
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:43 am

I was planning to change the spear shield and the helmet cause the spear looks like a club ( a really long club) the shield looks very odd and looks flat and the helmet is too much macedonian the classical spartan hoplite would look better (with the Ranking ontop of the helmet)

Edit: and I think I read that they have skirts
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:33 pm

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:04 pm

You know what they look fat just look at that belly armor :lol:
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:04 pm

Made my version:
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by DreJaDe » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:50 pm

Why not a leather body armor? From what I know Spartans already used leather instead of the old bronze.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:48 am

Kill me for taking the middle ground, but I don't think we should get too radical with unit redesign. It already looks good like it is, but few soft changes are enough to make it look polished and reminiscent of the old design.
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Stratego (dev) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:33 am

Endru1241 wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:04 pm
Made my version:
i love it!

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:57 am

DreJaDe wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:50 pm
Why not a leather body armor? From what I know Spartans already used leather instead of the old bronze.
If You mean Linothorax, the it was not made if leather, rather, as the name suggests from glued linen layers. It was half to 3/4 as effective, much more comfortable, transfered less heat to wearer and was probably used by hoplites, when army size went up (it's common agreement, that Linothorax was also cheaper).
There is however no reason to believe, that it couldn't have metal covering to increase defense (bronze) on wealthier citizens.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by DreJaDe » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:06 am

Maybe that's what it is. It would look more proper for a unit design for me if uses more color (no exaggeration off course). Also if I'm not wrong they didn't use bronze boots but just strap sandals.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:59 am

Actually they used bronze greaves, often with feet cover.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by LordOfAles » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:42 pm

Can i propose a slightly better shading?
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by patroid » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:02 pm

Hi,
Well before ales posted i already corrected alot of things. @Endru1241
Pls compare mine to yours, there were alot of Outline errors. and the shading is atleast changed alot.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by LordOfAles » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:13 pm

Great work, what to say.
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:20 pm

I'll go for patriods
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:23 pm

It's for the best. We all see nobody beats patroid's shading.
I'll bring it to the pack.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:22 am

Endru1241 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:23 pm
It's for the best. We all see nobody beats patroid's shading.
I'll bring it to the pack.
I'm sorry, but I hate all the shields!
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Endru1241 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:43 am

You managed to lighten it up without messing 3d like effect. This bronze frame also adds character.
I just wonder if team colored helmet decoration is better.

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:58 pm

Team colored helmet decoration would look good
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Morningwarrior » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:53 pm

Men i show my congratulations for the guy make this is spartan,is very evolution...
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by Moh556 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:32 am

i think spear must be alittle taller

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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 pm

I think its perfect cause spartan hoplites didnt used normal spears they use short spears
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by SirPat » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:43 pm

Thats why they dont have bonus against cavalry
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin

Post by StormSaint373 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:34 pm

Well, Tbh, the Greeks (Spartans Especially) were known for their phalanx formation... Which didn't even let enemies get close. Not even cavalry

But that formation was vulnerable on the sides and rear.
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin IMPLEMENTED

Post by Morningwarrior » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:47 pm

I know spartans have a bonus to cavalry to 10% or 20% more damage.
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Re: Spartan Hoplite reskin IMPLEMENTED

Post by Endru1241 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:11 pm

Hoplite doesn't have any bonus vs mounted and probably will not have any in the future.
Hoplite is representative Heavy Infantry.
It's category of units, which are rather strong defenders and their main counter is Heavy Cavalry.
It just doesn't make any sense to add bonuses against main counters.
Also after flail and mace nerf they are plenty strong already.

Flavor-wise we can look at it as hoplites using full capabilities of spear.
Normal spearmen are barely trained, so using spear they get huge damage only against mounted units, as they are easy target and often the only thing it takes to damage them is to point your spear in correct direction.
Most other enemies can avoid such clumsy attacks, so spearman regular damage is so low. Well, too lengthy weapon used in melee also adds to it.
Hoplites are elite, trained and often experienced spear wielders. They also use weapons a little better fit to melee. Shortcoming of shorter range is 36% lesser damage vs mounted (22 - 14).

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