New axe thrower appereance IMPLEMENTED

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:58 pm

Although I like new design better, axe thrower may seem a little too tall (not as much as hatamoto which looks really out of place, especially comparing to elephants). His brown parts could also be lighter.
Something like this (repositioned, recoloured, left hand shortened by one pixel line, original image by StormSaint373):
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:50 am

axe thrower: imho it looked
a) a bit tall comparing to other units
b) the cloth seems not real and not real colored, it was too browny imho, was not metal armoring on it nowhere
c) and maybe was a little weak looking the man, looked a little thin, not that thick - but not sure.

other than that was looking good!

Endru1241 : looks good! please post here the original StormSaint image too so we can see the differences! thanks!

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:50 pm

My thanks, I agree with Stratego.

It does look better.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:48 pm

if the two image is the before-after.
than i think it is not that differing from each other, i still suggest my suggested changes.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:05 pm

I see it as leather armor.
But lets see how it looks:
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:43 pm

I think the lighter brown with thicker lines looks best.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:13 pm

Hello, in short i think the current foot templars suck. So i made these:
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Typhoon » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:19 pm

Yeah new templar looks kinda thin and fragile while previous and one above look stronger
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:20 pm

Seriously? Current Templar + upgr image is one of the best in game. While I agree it may look kinda out of place, the reason is that most of images are very simple and, well, two dimensional. Just look at the weapons and shields in most units - they are often vertically positioned icons pasted on older/base unit - there is no perspective - it's like ancient egyptian hieroglyphs. While this game is tbs and graphics are one of the least important things, I am mostly content with current looks (with few exceptions).
But please, people - do not stop the progress. StormSaint373 made an amazing job especially by making templar shield. Maybe a little refinement could be made to fit these images with the game better, but the base is great.

Sorry @LordOfAles , but these images are just a step back imho.


As I look at StormSaint373 images the greatest difference with standard game skins are a pair of enormous feet, gigantic calfs placed on weirdly shaped legs (which by the way I used in my images of Samurai and Skirmisher lines).

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:31 pm

For Axe Thrower? Which was agreed upon?
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:21 am

As for the statement of looking out of place...

The only reason it may look as such is because there isn't other units of it's ilk in yet...

Personally, I planned for the holy units to look similar and to give it a "set" look.

As swordsman, pike, and knight look similar
Archer, longbow in another
Atl atl and blowdarter for another,
And so on...
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:33 am

StormSaint373 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:31 pm
For Axe Thrower? Which was agreed upon?
Well, sorry I modified your images without asking first - I just want to bring your axe thrower skin back to them game. Even if changed a little.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:21 am
As for the statement of looking out of place...

The only reason it may look as such is because there isn't other units of it's ilk in yet...

Personally, I planned for the holy units to look similar and to give it a "set" look.

As swordsman, pike, and knight look similar
Archer, longbow in another
Atl atl and blowdarter for another,
And so on...
And I myself fully support your Templar images.
It's just that I am afraid of Templar images being reverted (like axe thrower) , so I advocate to ask for little changes if it's people don't like some skin. Not reverting or straight changing it fully on the spot.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:21 am

templars: I like new templars, i dont even know how it could be improved, but if any new shading or stuff goes on it i will update it. so i will not revert it to original.

axe thrower: yes, i have reverted it because in game i myself felt it different than other units already ingame somehow - i am waiting an image (even the new approach can be) that fits, and that is modified as i have suggested in 4-5 bulletpoints for new axe thrower

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:55 am

.Well, sorry I modified your images without asking first - I just want to bring your axe thrower skin back to them game. Even if changed a little.
Don't apologise, you took initiative... That is commendable.

As for the axe throwers posted, I have come to like the light brown one

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This one matches the game better.

Perhaps, @Endru1241 , you can revise slinger?

That, as well, looks 2d, similar to axe thrower.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:07 am

That was my plan, but got a little busy with jsons.
And skirmishers redesign is still in open discussion.
I may have to correct it.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:14 am

You Json?

I didn't know...
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:17 am

I like the armored one 👍
It's for tier 1?
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:24 am

Yes, for tier 1

I have a suggestion for tier 2... If it gets accepted.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:26 am

Of course, this will need polishing to look more Nordic holding Franchesca, but at least axe looks right.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:20 am

Endru1241 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:07 am
That was my plan, but got a little busy with jsons.
And skirmishers redesign is still in open discussion.
I may have to correct it.
No, this is not under debate.
It should be added in Already! :lol:
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:41 am

Hi,
i was on vaation for a week thats why i didnt react till yet.
its nice that my first rough sketch got implemented immedietly but it wasnt ready yet ...

here is the templar somehwat finished- one wers body armor ontop of the white templayr cloak one below.
choose by your likings.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:09 am

Hi,
Templar Upgrade dealt with aswell.

The problem with those newer image is. theay lack contrast, color vareity and shading.
tha figueres and positioning is better but when the rest misses its just like a blank 3d model.

The old style was sybolic the new thing is that people here try to get realistic 3d images or atleast a try to get anything similar to something like that.
since we only got a canvas of 32*32 symbolism is the better choice in my opinion since we simply dont got enough space to fill
in massvive detail and textures.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:26 am

I like those redesigns made by patroid.
These ones look great.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:52 am

Hi
and now the thirs thing here.
axe thrower.

Historically there were 3 kinds of axe thrower that come up in my mind first and thath pop up on google as first results.
Native amreican, gaul and germanic tribes.

Since the current one is more germanic/gauly i went for that approach.

Due to limited time those are not fully finalized - Tell me if i should finish one of them.
Should i add the standard blue warpaint of gauls?
Shield?

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:57 am

germanic and gauls are the winners for me.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Endru1241 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:00 am

brown gaul for basic one and german for upgrade!
Also shaded templars do look better.

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:03 am

i could not follow templars which is to put where - if someone can name the image as they are in game and post only the ones to update - would be awesome ! :)

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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by StormSaint373 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:24 am

@patroid , for Templar...
Helm actually looks better, but plz revert to current shield. That one bends toward the bottom. Like it has been warped by flame.

As for the axe thrower... That's a difficult choice for me.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:36 pm

Hi
The requested ShieldManipulation.
@Stratego (dev) its still open design process so theres no final image - yet. Ill calrify when we got them.
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Re: New textures are looking soo bad.

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:09 pm

Hi,

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