Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

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Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Alexander82 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:47 am

Your warrior learn to make a war paint to spread fear on the battlefield
when your units attack an enemy, it might escape instead of making his counter attack (it moves in a square next to him, if all the squares are occupied he moves in a free square in his range of movement, if every square is occupied it counter as normal). Mindless units (such as siege weapons or lesser undeads are immune to this effect)

Chance could be 20 + (Unit HP) - (Enemy HP)
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint

Post by balint » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:39 pm

what about a simple counter attack disabling?
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Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:05 pm

the simple version sounds good!

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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint

Post by DoomCarrot » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:59 am

This is a cool idea. Although I think it should cost at least 6-7 turns, as no counter is pretty useful.
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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:20 am

Sure
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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:38 am

Since now we have an easy way to set the dodge counter effect what about a simple 50%

Seems fair for elves that can reach 80% and a decent protection against the upcoming first strike
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Post by Sunrise Samurai » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:23 am

50% dodge counter for all orcs and goblins sounds nice. I'd avoid it on trolls and ettins, since they already are pretty powerful.
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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:49 pm

I think that for them makes much more sense tough. They are the most fearsome creatures. Anyway dodge counter is the less powerful of all dodge.
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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:38 pm

War paint
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Cost: 8

Your units start applying war paints to intimidate enemies

All units you control gain 50% dodge counter
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:22 pm

Yeah, and I must admit I rarely worry about counterattack damage when​ playing as orcs. Usually your melee attacks are one shot to kill the target
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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:21 pm

Daniel is this ok for you?
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Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:09 pm

@makazuwr32 What you think about that for one of the next updates?
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Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:35 pm

uhm 50% i think is too high.
Maybe 30%

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Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:57 pm

I'd say yes if it was any other dodge, but dodge counter is generally the one that impact less the game.

I'm thinking one of these 2

1) 30% dodge counter but make that tech very cheap (it could make it good as an early game addition)

2) keep 50% but make it more costly

3) maybe make 3 techs with 20% dodge counter each

I say that cause in more advanced game it might be pretty useless even with 50% (you just can rely on units with 2+ melee range or heavy hitter that would take counters only from units with first strike) and orcs have a lot of techs they might research that might provide a lot better utilities.
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:32 pm

5 turns cost should be fine for me for 30% dodge.
Alas i maybe will prefer 2 techs with 3/4 turns cost each giving 15% dodge counter.

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Post by Savra » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:34 am

Could we get a orc pit in first? That way the upgrades aren't all in the tc and the such, then we can leave upgrades like this to the Orc/goblin/troll tents, and the such.

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Post by Anchar » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:46 am

Orc dodges in the next update? It would be better to make "kryptonite" for the goblin on a bat in the next update and spread the orc technicians from the center to the corresponding buildings. It's already difficult to play against the orcs, and with such updates it will be completely pointless.

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Post by Anchar » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:51 am

Orcs, as far as I understand, are large thugs in thick armor, I have no idea how they will evade elven dancers, and even ordinary swordsmen. Maybe this technology would be suitable for goblins but not for orcs.

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Post by Savra » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:15 am

It only effects counter attack, not other dodges.

I guess the warpaint more might work as a means of scaring the enemy and preventing them from countering.

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Post by Anchar » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:01 am

That is, trolls do not scare the human, only the coloring of the orcs scares?

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Post by Savra » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:25 am

It depends on what it is, a troll is likely to eat you, and is obvious to see.

Orcs with warpaint however is more based on the style of the warpaint. Unlike the troll who is easily identified, the warpaint could be designed in such a manner were it often would confuse the target on what exactly is coming at them, in the other hand it also is used to hype up the one who has the paint applied to, in orcs case this might be the blood of their enemies or some animals, used as some symbolism for the upcoming battle. In that case it might cause warrior's to fight more wildly making it harder to counter without getting diced by their flailing weapons.

Of course, this won't mean much for orc archers being they can't attack in melee anyway.

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Post by Anchar » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:24 am

It sounds funny that if the troll hits the human swordsman, he will strike back if he survives (as well as the dragon, the dead, the ship, the castle, ettin), and the human orc painted in blood will be afraid to hit back.

Even if the orc turns into a troll, it is not logical because the swordsman is not afraid of the troll + how will it look on the undead? Doll skeleton puppet will be scared of orcish coloring despite the fact that the corpse does not even have eyes?

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Post by Anchar » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:30 am

It will be logical only if the orcs are masked by their color, merging with the terrain, but these are already other effects and I don't want the orcs to be added something that enhances them in the next updates.

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Post by Alexander82 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:19 am

Savra wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:34 am
Could we get a orc pit in first? That way the upgrades aren't all in the tc and the such, then we can leave upgrades like this to the Orc/goblin/troll tents, and the such.
About the pit: at the moment is in standby cause I wanted to make a new organization for the orcish buildings but we couldn't find an agreement with maka, so at the moment I won't add other buildings (orcs have already a lot of them).

Maybe we can open another topic for that purpose.
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Alexander82 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:44 am

Anchar wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:30 am
It will be logical only if the orcs are masked by their color, merging with the terrain, but these are already other effects and I don't want the orcs to be added something that enhances them in the next updates.
But it is not for you to decide. All races will get the same amount of extra contents in each new version.
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Anchar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:22 am

It seems to me that the content of the orcs is being implemented faster than the content of other races.

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Post by Alexander82 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:39 am

Then you have a wrong perception of reality as I'm counting the amount of every implementations (units, techs...).
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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:34 pm

The only thing that makes it look like orcs are getting implemented faster is their spell casters and their copy and pasted stats and abilities. :lol:

But anyway, I honestly don't see orcs getting stuff implemented faster then other races but rather other races like undead and elves. Humans seem to have the slowest though but that's probably due to some complicated units.

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Re: Orcs Tech - War Paint - FINALIZED

Post by Alexander82 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:08 pm

Humans most of the time obtained techs more than units.

Undeads and elves have a certain amount of ready unit so I'm going for those now.

Orcs are probably going to get half and half between units and techs.

In general orcs and humans, when they get units, seems to get more cause every unit they get counts 3 images so, from a visual point of view, they occupy more space on the changelog.
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