Coward's Reward

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Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:44 pm

If a unit adjacent to an imperial anything moves away from being adjacent to that unit, it takes an automatic 5-10 damage. If it leaves engagement with multiple imperials it takes multiple such attacks.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:24 pm

So running from a attack will leave him vulnerable to be stabbed in the back. I said this one is great.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:27 pm

But maybe it should be called Cowardice Flight.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:09 pm

Well, the special is about attacking a coward, not being a coward :)
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:14 pm

I'm talking about the enemy running away, not the imperial throwing his weapon at the enemy so he could get away. But that might work too.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:09 am

That sounds like a cool idea. It's like the "opportunity attack" in D&D. If you are engaged in melee and suddenly turn backside and flee, the enemy could strike you. I just think that these strikes should be regular strikes but with 50% penalty (like counter, in fact) to make it more useful. So an enemy will think twice before rushing your imperials head-on all at once, because he might take a lot of damage depending on the unit he uses.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:47 am

This sounds rather overpowered honestly, especially when combined with knighthood. An automatic ability to prevent any retreating seems like it only encourages direct combat from the opponent, rather than tactical maneuvering.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:55 am

I think it only should work of your imperial stand their ground for a turn. If the enemy decides to go in attack and then retreat the next turn, They will receive a penalty for leaving their back turn and fleeing.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:04 am

Then don't make it automatic, make it an ability that can be activated with a cooldown, if an enemy leaves melee range within x turns of the ability being activated (x should be smaller than cooldown probably), enemy takes a counter attack (attack with 50% penalty). Also should have a tech instead of having it from the beggining of the match. sound less op now?
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:12 pm

Well, I think it would be cool for imperials to tie down a position somehow. If an orc leader is making his way towards a group of orcs, and you cannot let him get there and buff them, you could send a wagon with an imperial or two to engage the leader. If he tries to run away anyways, he gets wounded, which pretty much forces your opponent to fight the imperials before geouping together for their main attack.

Just a hypothetical scenario. I think this encourages tactical maneuvering much more than prevent it, which is why I suggested it. :lol:

Right now, I feel that most melee units are fairly underwhelming in most fights besides a siege. Unfortunately, humans have almost all melee units, which is good when they are defending a siege, but not good at all when they are fighting in an open field with anything but other humans. This would at least give imperials a little tactical edge in such fights, although it may still be hard to catch up to some units like elves and headhunters.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:05 pm

That's true, slow and powerful melee units like humans' are best employed in static defense rather than an offensive move - but then again humans also have a strong cavalry and at least slightly decent archery, which are all effective in offense. They also have some of the best siege potential with catapults and trebuchets.

Anyway, yes, I think this would make these units somewhat more useful and more tactical.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:20 pm

Please implement this, I would vote for it.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:00 pm

^ Same
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:13 pm

I'm not so sure. I'm more seeing this as take a wagon with an imperial swordsman, drop it in a bunch of weaker units, and they can't attack, defend, or retreat. It's a way to pick on lesser troops, not tie down bigger ones.

Try this:
Make it a spell, 100% accuracy, cooldown 3, duration 3, range 1. If anything under this spell moves, it takes 10 damage that bypasses armor. Multiple instances stack, bypasses spell resistance.

Doesn't turn imperials into bombs, but definitely gives a way to tie down big units. It's easier​ to hit little things than to activate this, so it won't be a mass death just because you moved one unit into a bunch of archers or mages.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:30 pm

Nothing like that, I said the imperial have to stand their ground for 1 turn. It's you the enemy if you want to go in attack then try to leave because you know is too hard.

But your sound much benefits to me.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:21 pm

I actually like sunrise's idea though. Seems balanced, not overpowered and useful.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:01 pm

I like that sunrise, but units with spell resistance will totally avoid it. Which is stupid, because this has absolutely nothing to do with actual magic.

I think your idea is better if it can be implemented with the current game engine, but if it does not have the ability to tie down even 100% spell resistant units like dryads, I do not think it is good.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:01 pm

So now we await daniel to tell us if that can be done :)
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:18 pm

Not all spells have to worry about spell resistance. Some, like the ghost ship cannon, bypass it.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:22 pm

Then this idea could be implemented. The spell should probably be called "Engage" or something of the sort
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:26 pm

Can't you ask him? Like sent him an email or something.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:32 pm

I think things that are ready to be implemented are eventually checked and added by daniel but perheaps I'm wrong.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:54 am

However, I realized another problem with this. Using the spell would take the units action/turn, which means it wouldn't be able to attack, which is not what this is aiming for.

Hopefully there is a way to easily make a spell not consume an action/turn of a unit. But then it might be able to use the spell multiple times in one turn... Idk, there might be some kinks that Daniel would have to work out if it got implemented.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:01 am

Technically i think it might be done like a aura with range 1 that gives a status to enemy units around that affect them if they move with a certain hit chance (units with dodge melee can reduce that with their dodge ability). If affected they receive 5 damages.

This way this is good against orcs and undeads but won't affect too much elves (that have lower hp and wouldn't stand a chance against some heavy units like imperial ones).

This wouldn't work for the imperial crossbowmans tough (it wouldn't make sense imho).

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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:59 pm

Sounds good alexander, making it an aura with 5 direct damage and chance to dodge makes more sense I think. Both ideas are good but I think this one makes more sense. :)
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by DoomCarrot » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:35 am

If that could be implemented it would be excellent!
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by General Brave » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:45 am

It will come in handy. Can we voted.
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Savra » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:12 pm

This good?

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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Tankhead » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:50 pm

What is this
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Re: Coward's Reward

Post by Skelegonsans » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:29 am

Basically, all melee imperial units would have a 1 range aura. If any enemy moves from that aura to out of it, it takes 10 direct damage that bypasses armor and spell res.
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