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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:57 am

I still think that 9x2 is a bit too high for a starting worker. Considering humans have somewhere around 12 in mend rate without the upgrade and dwarf would have 18 (9x2) in this case, it's already a 50% increase which is too much.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:26 am

So what do everyone agreed on?
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:53 am

Once my Internet is backup, I will start fixing and adding the ideas that you are suggests. Perhaps these tech needs images to go alongside them.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue May 01, 2018 6:48 am

I still think that cleric and priest must be separate units;
Cleric with far more potent healing (20-25 hp, can be named as "rune of healing") and disenchant for 2 turns, can research exorcism.
Priest with less powerful basic healing (10 hp) and few support spells, no exorcism, cost 3 or 4 turns.
Also this way we can balance dwarves better, removing if needed somewhere armor or hp to match the healing.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Tue May 01, 2018 10:25 am

I'm working on a more expensive caster to add. I actually like the cleric and priest as they are, but cleric as an upgrade.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon May 14, 2018 10:11 am

I'm suggesting to lower mend rate of dwarven workers to 10 while keeping ability to gain second action via spell. No bonus actions in base.

Also i'm suggesting a more expensive engeneer unit with higher mend rate and 2 actions.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon May 14, 2018 10:22 am

I'd go with workers having 2 actions and 8 mend rate. This evens out the cost of workers to alchemists, so that alchemists aren't worth 3 workers, while keeping total mending pretty much the same.

An engineer with higher mend rate is a good idea I'd say.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Skelegonsans » Mon May 14, 2018 10:52 pm

Agreed with sunrise
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Tue May 15, 2018 3:57 am

So a regular worker with 8 build able to get double turn, another worker that's probably cost 4 turns and has 2 action, 11 built.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:49 am

Dwarven engeneer

Also sunrise wants that normal worker will have 2 actions as well in base.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by rikoargatha » Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 am

Sunrise Samurai wrote:I'd go with workers having 2 actions and 8 mend rate. This evens out the cost of workers to alchemists, so that alchemists aren't worth 3 workers, while keeping total mending pretty much the same.

An engineer with higher mend rate is a good idea I'd say.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Thu May 31, 2018 6:16 pm

Ok.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:08 am

I put them in now.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:43 pm

Expect updates.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am

Bonus and other fix list:

Barracks:
1. Dwarven warrior — standart only bonuses to buildings: 100% to factories, 200% to walls and towers, 700% to castles. Currently has 200% to factories, 350% to walls and towers, 650% to castles. Also currently has 20% bonus to cavalry which is needed to be removed. Counts for others as infantry.
2. Dwarven billman — standart only bonuses to cavalry: 450% to all cavalry. Currently has 460% to cavalry and bonuses to buildings (last ones needs to be removed). Counts a for others as pikeman (so no bonuses to him from archers or cavalry), not as worker.
3. Hammer fighter — 50% bonus to infantries, standart bonuses to buildings. Currently has same bonuses as warrior. Cavalry bonuses needs to be removed. Counts as infantry.
Shooting stand:
4. Dwarven crossbowman — 50% to infantry and flying units. Currently has really weird bonuses to different units and bonuses to buildings. Counts ar archer.
5. Dwarven rifleman — 1. Please fix his missing chance - he can't ever hit target that is not in the list or remove this chance at all. 2. Make him as dealing melee damage. 3. Needs 50% bonus to archer units, 100% bonus to giants and trolls but has same weird bonuses as crossbowman right now. Counts as infantry unit (so anti-archer units will not deal to them bonus damage but archers will do).
Craftsmans guild:
6. All worker type units — remove all bonuses to any units. Count as worker.
Tavern:
7. Dwarven alchemist — remove all bonuses to any units. Make him dealing melee damage. Counts as infantry.
Rune mason:
8. Dwarven priest — increase cost to 3 turns, remove all bonuses. Add upgrade into Dwarven cleric. Counts as infantry.
9. Dwarven cleric — reduce cost to 3 turns, remove all bonuses. Add requirement that he can be buildable only after upgrade from priests. Counts as infantry.
Kingdom under mountain:
10. Mithril guard — add them into barracks, lower damage to 16, needs 50% bonus to giants and standart bonuses to buildings instead current weird ones. Counts as infantry (not as worker).
11. Dwarven defender — needs 100% bonus to giants and standart bonus to buildings. Remove bonuses to cavalry. Counts as infantry.
12. Dwarven mortar — 1. Must deal melee damage. 2. Needs 250% bonus to all non-castle building, 1000% to castle-buildings and 25% to giants. Counts as infantry.
13. Dwafnes zeppelin — 1. Please change name to «Dwarven War Zeppelin». 2. Needs standart bonuses to buildings and 200% to giants. Only. Counts as flying unit.
14. Dwarven monk — 1. Must be trainable at Rune mason as well. 2. Needs same upgrade to be trainable as the one that changes priests to clerics. 3. Needs 25% bonus to infantry, archers and 50% to giants. No bonuses to buildings or cavalry. Counts as infantry.
Town center only units:
15. Bear raider — must count as cavalry.
16. Dwarven Steamship — 1. Change spell resistance to 100%. 2. Needs 100% bonus to all ships and aquatic units and 50% bonus to amphibious units. Counts as ship.
Buildings:
1. All factory type buildings (barracks, shooting stand, craftsmans guild, tavern, rune mason) need 0% construction bonus and -20% mending bonus.
2. Dwarven tower (only current one) needs 100% construction and 100% mending bonus. (Total basic worker turns cost will become 9 turns). Also increase its p.armor to 5.

Other units and buildings are fine.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:31 pm

I agree to most of them, if nobody opposed, then I put them in.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Skelegonsans » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:55 pm

sounds very balanced, i agree.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:30 am

Okay then.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:40 am

Forgot one thing
Zeppelin carrier — change its construction bonus to -75% and its mend rate bonus to -40% so it will take more turns to make via workers them.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:56 pm

It's time to put some effort back into this, can someone report what have been discussed.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:07 am

I will. A bit later.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Menselot » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:03 am

Soon i will start posting images.
I will start by tommorow
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by MightyGuy » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:15 am

hello guys,

I want to rework the Dwarven Mortar to improve the graphics, what do you think?
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by MightyGuy » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:23 am

Menselot wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:03 am
Soon i will start posting images.
I will start by tommorow
BTW, i think the dwarven defender is OP against some Scaledfolk units like Kobold warrior and dual sword snakeman. and the dwarven alchemist is pretty hard to kill againstt scaledfolk units, based on my observation
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:31 pm

THAT is the mortar i wanted to look.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by General Brave » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:38 pm

MightyGuy wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:15 am
hello guys,

I want to rework the Dwarven Mortar to improve the graphics, what do you think?
You are great at this, should I replace the current image or use this as an upgrade?
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Replace.
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:13 pm

General Brave wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:56 pm
It's time to put some effort back into this, can someone report what have been discussed.
HUGE wall of text.

1. Fixes:
makazuwr32 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am
Bonus and other fix list:

Barracks:
1. Dwarven warrior — standart only bonuses to buildings: 100% to factories, 200% to walls and towers, 700% to castles. Currently has 200% to factories, 350% to walls and towers, 650% to castles. Also currently has 20% bonus to cavalry which is needed to be removed. Counts for others as infantry. READY
2. Dwarven billman — standart only bonuses to cavalry: 450% to all cavalry. Currently has 460% to cavalry and bonuses to buildings (last ones needs to be removed). Counts a for others as pikeman (so no bonuses to him from archers or cavalry), not as worker. READY
3. Hammer fighter50% bonus to infantries, standart bonuses to buildings. Currently has same bonuses as warrior. Cavalry bonuses needs to be removed. Counts as infantry. Please remove from it Mend bonus or make it count as worker. He can't repair things right now.
Shooting stand:
4. Dwarven crossbowman50% to infantry and flying units. Currently has really weird bonuses to different units and bonuses to buildings. Counts ar archer. Increase his sight range by 1.
5. Dwarven rifleman1. Please fix his missing chance - he can't ever hit target that is not in the list or remove this chance at all. 2. Make him as dealing melee damage. 3. Counts as infantry unit (so anti-archer units will not deal to them bonus damage but archers will do).
Craftsmans guild:
6. All worker type units — remove all bonuses to any units. Count as worker. READY
Tavern:
7. Dwarven alchemist — remove all bonuses to any units. Make him dealing melee damage. Counts as infantry. READY
Rune mason:
8. Dwarven priestincrease cost to 3 turns, remove all bonuses. Add upgrade into Dwarven cleric. Counts as infantry.
9. Dwarven clericreduce cost to 3 turns, remove all bonuses. Add requirement that he can be buildable only after upgrade from priests. Counts as infantry.
Kingdom under mountain:
10. Mithril guardadd them into barracks, lower damage to 16, needs 50% bonus to giants and standart bonuses to buildings instead current weird ones. Counts as infantry (not as worker).
11. Dwarven defender — needs 100% bonus to giants and standart bonus to buildings. Remove bonuses to cavalry. Counts as infantry. READY
12. Dwarven mortar — 1. Must deal melee damage. 2. Needs 250% bonus to all non-castle building, 1000% to castle-buildings and 25% to giants. Counts as infantry. READY
13. Dwafnes zeppelin1. Please change name to «Dwarven War Zeppelin». 2. Needs standart bonuses to buildings and 200% to giants. Only. Counts as flying unit.
14. Dwarven monk — 1. Must be trainable at Rune mason as well. 2. Needs same upgrade to be trainable as the one that changes priests to clerics. 3. Needs 25% bonus to infantry, archers and 50% to giants. No bonuses to buildings or cavalry. Counts as infantry. READY
Town center only units:
15. Bear raider — must count as cavalry. READY
16. Dwarven Steamship — 1. Change spell resistance to 100%. 2. Needs 100% bonus to all ships and aquatic units and 50% bonus to amphibious units. Counts as ship. READY
Buildings:
1. All factory type buildings (barracks, shooting stand, craftsmans guild, tavern, rune mason) need -20% construction bonus and -20% mending bonus.
2. Dwarven tower (only current one) needs 100% construction and 100% mending bonus. (Total basic worker turns cost will become 9 turns). Also increase its p.armor to 5.

Other units and buildings are fine.
makazuwr32 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:40 am
Forgot one thing
Zeppelin carrierchange its construction bonus to -40% and its mend rate bonus to 0% so it will take more turns to make via workers them.
2. Additions:
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:24 pm
Quick list of initial techs dwarves need to catch up to other races. This post will be updated as needed
Dwarven weapon smithing (1-2)
Cost 4/6 at dwarf craftsman
+1 power to all melee cavalry, infantry, and all archers (no range increase though.)

Dwarves construct impressive weapons through the use of unique metal alloys.
Rune of power
Cost 5 at rune Mason
+1 power to all melee cavalry, infantry, and all archers

Through the use of magical runes, dwarves can further enhance the power of their weapons.
By separating the techs into 2 at the craftsman and one at rune mason, a dwarf player can be allowed to speed research if they so choose. It's also a different approach from the elven craftsman upgrades.
Lighter missiles
Cost 5 at craftsman
Requires dwarven weapon smithing 2
+2 range to all archers

A mythril alloy is used for arrows and bolts, enabling them to fly further while still penetrating armor as effectively.
Dwarves aren't going to be quite so good at archery, so their range upgrade comes late, and only +2
Dwarven armor smithing (1-2)
Cost 4/6 at craftsman
+1/1 armor to all non machine, non magical units. (In other words, no golems, ships, zeppelins, etc. But upgrades your cavalry, infantry, archers, clerics, and whatever else.)

Dwarven armor is the finest in the land, being light enough for an elf to bear easily, yet hard enough to deflect the blows of an orc.
Glyph of protection
Cost 5 at rune mason
+1/1 armor to EVERYTHING!

A powerful rune is applied to protect it's bearer from harm. It can be placed on anything from a chain or brick to armor plates.
Yes, blanket armor upgrade. This is the first upgrade dwarves should seek, followed by the slightly less widespread blacksmith version
Improved gunpowder mixture (1-3)
Cost 4/6/8 at craftsman
+2 damage per level to all gunpowder units

3. Need work on these units and structure(s):
Battle tank - Ready for implementing
Siege workshop - we can use current humanic siege workshop image for this
All others need images:
Steam tank
Rune mage
Rune Battle Priest
Magma Dragon
Fire dragon
Dwarven Submarine
Helicopter
Siege engine
Golem Automatons
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:03 pm

Whay do you guys would think about a gyrocopter?

It is basically a dwarven helicopter not very strong, but can shoot and drop bombs (even though that would be a bombercopter).
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Re: Dwarf Race

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Bombs were planned as a researchable ability for helicopter, a bit later.
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