Research - US and German unit differences

[Stratego (dev)]

Most of the German units are made from the same US versions of the same "class",
eg. all infantry, ships, planes.

So i would be happy if someone could help me find the difference of the two kind of units, which is better in what(eg. one is more armored, but the other has higher bonus on something and so on)

samples:
corsair vs focke-wulf fw 190
messerschmitt vs wildcat
stuart vs panzer II
m101 howitzer vs leFH18 howitzer

and so on.

Thanks in advance!

[samuelch]

M3 Stuart vs Panzer II
More expensive | Cheaper
More HP | Less HP
Faster | Slower
More damage | Less damage
This website might help for tanks: http://tank-compare.com/en/

[Stratego (dev)]

very good comparison you found!

but this topic is still open, we have all units with same stats now - so
a) all nation all light tank is th same,
b) all medium tank is the same.
c) all infantry is tha same
and so on maybe all of the units are like this, ships, planes and so on.

so please someone having kowledge, or using this comparison website, pick one of the units eg. for first the current fighter planes, and put a compare and suggest a slight modification on speed/power/hp and so on.

thanks!

we will need a checklist which units are ready - i think i will put it into the first post, currently i can not put anything there

eg firsts could be:
- US wildcat vs RUS Yak 1 vs GER bf109 (fighters)
- US b17 vs RUS TUsb2 vs GER ju88 (bombers)
- US corsair vs RUS il2 vs GER fw90 (fighter-bombers)
- US infantrry - RUS infantry - GER infantry - JP infantry
- US at rifle - RUS at rifle - GER at rifle - JP at rifle
- US machinegun - RUS machinegun - GER machinegun - JP machinegun
- US stuart - RUS bt7 - GER panzer III - JP HAGO (light tanks)
- US sherman - RUS t34 - GER panther (medium tanks)
and so on (some of these especially german tanks, i tried to differenciare from us units earlier, but it needs a recheck)

[Stratego (dev)]

i haave received a suggestion on tanks:

Sherman stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
Sherman had a 75mm or 76mm main armament, same as the panther, so it should have the same power with panther tank.

Panzer 2 stats
Power: 5
Infantry bonus: 200%
Panzer 2 had a 20mm main armament, that could EASILY eliminate enemy infantry. Its main armament shooted its shells like a machine gun and thats why i suggest giving it an infantry bonus. However it wasnt effective against other tanks.

T-34 stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
T34 also had a 75mm main armament.

M 26 pershing stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6

Kv-1 stats
Hp: 70
Power: 20
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Kv-1s main armament was a 75mm cannon, so it should have the same firepower with the panther, sherman and t-34.

Tiger tank stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Tiger tank had an 88mm cannon and pershing had a 90mm cannon, so they should have the same power.

Pak 38 was a 45mm anti tank cannon, so i find it unrealistic to have a 1000% bonus on heavy tanks. It shouldnt be able to deal a lot of damage to heavy tanks, as well as to medium tanks.

[samuelch]

After some research here are the stats of infantry.
US Inf:
Cost=2
Power=7
Hp=15
Speed=3
The same as infantry now.

German Inf:
Cost=3
Power=9
Hp=20
Speed=4
Gets a 2 cost volksgrenadier after researching a tech.

Soviet Inf:
Cost=1
Hp=10
Power=5
Speed=3

Japs Inf:
Cost=2
Power=7 (can't research bolt to semi automatic)
Hp=20
Speed=4
Banzai charge ability.

[samuelch]

Mg inf stats:
Us mg:
the same as now

German mg:
cost=3
hp=15
power=8
action=2/2
speed=4 (with packed unpcaked idea=3)
Can be upgraded to mg 42 (gain extra action)

Soviet mg:
cost=1
hp=10
power=8
action=2/2
Speed=4 (with packed unpcaked idea=3)

Haven't got idea for Japanese variant.

[LordOfAles]

i dont think japanesse mgs were described that much as others

[samuelch]

Panzer II vs M3 Stuart vs Bt-7 vs Ha-go (my opinon= M3 Stuart should be researched to unlock it. I suggest M2 light tank for US as basic one.)
Cost=Pz II = Ha-Go < BT-7 < M3 Stuart
HP=Pz II < Ha-Go < Bt-7 < M3 Stuart
Armor=Ha-Go < BT-7 < Pz II < M3 Stuart
Speed= Ha-go = PZ II < M3 Stuart < BT-7
Power= Pz II < M3 Stuart < Ha-GO < BT-7
Special:
Panzer II action is 3/3
M3 Stuart need research
M3 Stuart action is 3/3

[Stratego (dev)]

i haave received a suggestion on tanks:

Sherman stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
Sherman had a 75mm or 76mm main armament, same as the panther, so it should have the same power with panther tank.

Panzer 2 stats
Power: 5
Infantry bonus: 200%
Panzer 2 had a 20mm main armament, that could EASILY eliminate enemy infantry. Its main armament shooted its shells like a machine gun and thats why i suggest giving it an infantry bonus. However it wasnt effective against other tanks.

T-34 stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
T34 also had a 75mm main armament.

M 26 pershing stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6

Kv-1 stats
Hp: 70
Power: 20
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Kv-1s main armament was a 75mm cannon, so it should have the same firepower with the panther, sherman and t-34.

Tiger tank stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Tiger tank had an 88mm cannon and pershing had a 90mm cannon, so they should have the same power.

Pak 38 was a 45mm anti tank cannon, so i find it unrealistic to have a 1000% bonus on heavy tanks. It shouldnt be able to deal a lot of damage to heavy tanks, as well as to medium tanks.

i have put these in mostly:
differences: meium tanks got only 15 attack, and little smaller HP
pak38 had 2 power that was the reason of high bonus, but now i have specific bonus for all tank types.

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

i haave received a suggestion on tanks:

Sherman stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
Sherman had a 75mm or 76mm main armament, same as the panther, so it should have the same power with panther tank.

Panzer 2 stats
Power: 5
Infantry bonus: 200%
Panzer 2 had a 20mm main armament, that could EASILY eliminate enemy infantry. Its main armament shooted its shells like a machine gun and thats why i suggest giving it an infantry bonus. However it wasnt effective against other tanks.

T-34 stats
Hp: 50
Power: 20
Armor: 4
Explosion armor: 4
T34 also had a 75mm main armament.

M 26 pershing stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6

Kv-1 stats
Hp: 70
Power: 20
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Kv-1s main armament was a 75mm cannon, so it should have the same firepower with the panther, sherman and t-34.

Tiger tank stats
Hp: 70
Power: 24
Armor: 6
Explosion armor: 6
Tiger tank had an 88mm cannon and pershing had a 90mm cannon, so they should have the same power.

Pak 38 was a 45mm anti tank cannon, so i find it unrealistic to have a 1000% bonus on heavy tanks. It shouldnt be able to deal a lot of damage to heavy tanks, as well as to medium tanks.

i have put these in mostly:
differences: meium tanks got only 15 attack, and little smaller HP
pak38 had 2 power that was the reason of high bonus, but now i have specific bonus for all tank types.

So are the tank stats gonna be as a said in the next update or what?

[Stratego (dev)]

it is in already!

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

it is in already!

Thank you for listening to me.

[LordOfAles]

After some research here are the stats of infantry.
US Inf:
Cost=2
Power=7
Hp=15
Speed=3
The same as infantry now.

German Inf:
Cost=3
Power=9
Hp=20
Speed=4
Gets a 2 cost volksgrenadier after researching a tech.

Soviet Inf:
Cost=1
Hp=10
Power=7
Speed=3

Japs Inf:
Cost=2
Power=7 (can't research bolt to semi automatic)
Hp=20
Speed=4
Banzai charge ability.

All these seem good althou i would lower soviet infatry props:

Power - 5

[samuelch]

I agree. Power should be 5.

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

How about we raise their hp and decrease their power to 5 (as you said).

[LordOfAles]

We gave them 10 because then they cant be one hit killed

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

We should give them more hp to represent the fact that russians always outnumbered germans in battles, but lower their power because they were slightly trained and lightly armed.

[LordOfAles]

They cost 1 while germans 3. I think there is no chance that they will outnumber germans *sarcasm*

[samuelch]

They cost 1 while germans 3. I think there is no chance that they will outnumber germans *sarcasm*

Or 2. The Germans get 2 cost volksgrenadier after researching a tech. Weaker than the normal infantry.

[LordOfAles]

That is yet to get implemented, but still, if he is weaker than normal infantry, 2 russian riflemen can stil beat him, so i guess we found a balance here?

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

We better stick with cost 2 lol.

[LordOfAles]

no, then american infantry would be OP against them

[Prof_GamerARCHIVED]

Cost 2 is better.

[LordOfAles]

But...why?