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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by General Brave » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Definitely better with shading.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:31 pm

Ya, I think this needs maybe one more unit.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:34 am

Updated stats a bit, changed training place from great tree to elven sactuary.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:46 pm

I was looking forward to them being in great tree.

It could use its defenders right now, rather then a dragon and a eagle.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by StormSaint373 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:50 pm

I am in agreement in this regard.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:52 am

makazuwr32 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:34 am
Updated stats a bit, changed training place from great tree to elven sactuary.
@makazuwr32 when you get the time will you update first post with the ready images so it's complete. +move them to great tree instead of sanctuary, it's not in yet and doesn't seem like it needs them considering it has 9 units already going to it.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 am

Updated.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:26 am

Thx, now Stratego can see them directly when he gets on the topic.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:44 pm

I've been thinking about this for quite some time now and I've come to the conclusion to change the protectors mount to a unicorn. Reason why is because it doesn't make sense for one that an elf would ride a sabertooths day because elves ain't exactly stupid enough to attempt that like a orc or goblin would.

Just because they defend nature, doesn't mean the predators would share that same respect for them, they would be no different then the herbivorous creatures they hung if they get hungry enough.

Second, elves don't need every animal in the woods as a mount, unless it is a different group of sub race, the main elves will use unicorns.

The reason orcs have so many is because the Orcs themselves ride raptors, wyvrens, and wargs. Goblins ride squigs and bats, hobgoblins ride spiders and Skrill, and uruks ride caragors, water goblins ride crocodiles. All of them have mounts for that group not 50 mounts to the main orcs.

Undead would make sense on having multiple mounts as well because they are dead, and anything could work for them to get faster.

Dwarves main race needs to limit itself to the 3 mounts they have right now the sun races can have others but that's all.

Scaledfolk should limit themselves to the mounts suggested in their main topic, meaning brutes as well who can keep the trex rider in the fact that it would be equivalent to other races giant units. (The chieftain may be a giant but he is also a leader unit so he doesn't count.)

Sabertooths can go to snow trolls or forest trolls, they too would be stupid enough to ride them.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Tankhead » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:53 pm

Savra wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:44 pm
I've been thinking about this for quite some time now and I've come to the conclusion to change the protectors mount to a unicorn. Reason why is because it doesn't make sense for one that an elf would ride a sabertooths day because elves ain't exactly stupid enough to attempt that like a orc or goblin would.

Just because they defend nature, doesn't mean the predators would share that same respect for them, they would be no different then the herbivorous creatures they hung if they get hungry enough.

Second, elves don't need every animal in the woods as a mount, unless it is a different group of sub race, the main elves will use unicorns.

The reason orcs have so many is because the Orcs themselves ride raptors, wyvrens, and wargs. Goblins ride squigs and bats, hobgoblins ride spiders and Skrill, and uruks ride caragors, water goblins ride crocodiles. All of them have mounts for that group not 50 mounts to the main orcs.

Undead would make sense on having multiple mounts as well because they are dead, and anything could work for them to get faster.

Dwarves main race needs to limit itself to the 3 mounts they have right now the sun races can have others but that's all.

Scaledfolk should limit themselves to the mounts suggested in their main topic, meaning brutes as well who can keep the trex rider in the fact that it would be equivalent to other races giant units. (The chieftain may be a giant but he is also a leader unit so he doesn't count.)

Sabertooths can go to snow trolls or forest trolls, they too would be stupid enough to ride them.
Limit itself to 4 instead

They ride
Boars
Rams/goats
Bears
And Hogs
And people seem to forgot Warhogs are a thing for dwarves
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:27 am

Hogs and boars are like comparing a horse and a war horse.

They do not count as 4 they count as 3 mounts, dwarves have bears, rams, and hogs (boars, warthogs, pigs.)

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by General Brave » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:31 am

Well I think that unicorn works.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:16 am

:o

I like saberthooth.
Or felines.

We should keep it.

And finally add them in game.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:55 pm

I realize it would be good to have it but the thing is wood elves are basically getting every animal in nature as a mount, Unicorns would be fine for Elven protector. Moon elves will be getting panther riders as main cavalry, Sun Elves might get tigers, Sabertooths just doesn't fit into the Elven picture like those other 2 because they are mountain cats, the Protector would keep his original stats but have a different steed.

Dwarves don't necessarily need it either considering they have so many variants of bear riders and such.

Leave it for one of Maks troll races if they get cavalry, it would make more sense since trolls, no matter were they live, usually live in mountains and such.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:04 pm

Sabretooth sooks better.
Unicorn is also not that tough to be ridden by protector.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:18 pm

Elves have lighter armour then other races elites. And this unicorn would be no different then the imperial war horse. They are specially breed.

Sabertooths doesn't match the wood elf style as much either, we have so many races using predators as ground mounts giving the impression that they must not be as hostile as they are in reality. Again the only ones stupid enough to tame these are orcs who already have wargs, raptors, and wyvrens and don't necessarily need another just like the rest of the orcish races who are part of their main race. Wood elves already have enough for cavalry steeds, humans have only 2 ground mounts and I don't see them getting bear riders and the such. Elves and them can do the same.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by godOfKings » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:46 pm

Look, if u want to force people to accept unicorn so bad, then first change the angle at which he is holding the spear, either raise spear a little or lower the spear below the unicorn's head so that the unicorn's head is better visible at least part of the mouth, (and make sure the unicorn looks cool enough to b worthy of being substitute of saber tooth, make tail more visible, remove part of green cloth of the unicorn if needed)
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:05 pm

I planned to change all that, I've also planned to maybe shorten the Protector's cape because it doesn't need to be that long.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:04 pm

Needed a shield anyway, did some edits and many changes.

Not all Unicorns would be bright coloured and all because then they wouldn't survive long in the wild, nature favors those who have more abilities to survive, this a dull coloured, fast Unicorn was fitting.
I couldn't give the sabertooths rider a shield because they were too short.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:20 pm

Hmm, the more I look at it the more I like it, since it's not in pixly were I didn't have a accurate view of the thing. But the other question is how would it look in the game? If I had a little more room with the sabertooths rider I would have made the head less flat.

Besides this cavalry issue, once it is fixed I believe this group would have a higher chance of getting in.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by godOfKings » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:44 am

Nice, now atleast I won't have any complaints for using unicorns instead of saber tooths :) even though I don't play aof :lol:
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:08 am

How did these complaints reach you then?

Might of been someone part of your group maybe but honestly I don't care what goes on in groups because I didn't necessarily choose to join one anyway. I like my simple name style. :D
More discrete except recent actions may have made it stand out more on topics so I guess it's now a warning that I'm on it. :lol:

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by godOfKings » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:13 am

Savra wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:08 am
except recent actions may have made it stand out more on topics so I guess it's now a warning that I'm on it. :lol:
My unread posts were filled with Ur fights with other players over wat should b elven mount so I just said wat u need to do to persuade others to accept unicorn, that's all :)

(And the complaints were my own that y not first make a unicorn mount cooler than saber tooth mount if u r that adamant on removing saber tooth's, I don't have any discretion actually on image, just accept whatever looks COOLER and may b has some lore with the game)
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Lynx Shafir » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:21 am

godOfKings wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:13 am
Savra wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:08 am
except recent actions may have made it stand out more on topics so I guess it's now a warning that I'm on it. :lol:
My unread posts were filled with Ur fights with other players over wat should b elven mount so I just said wat u need to do to persuade others to accept unicorn, that's all :)
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As for unicorn img

This is too human stile.
Full cover on horse, hardly seeing what's it.
Concept must fit the light armor, dodged attacks.

The team colour on robe is better looking.

DOESN'T need shield!!

And preferably holding that weapon lower.
In the hand we see.
It's not a Lance.

Still prefer a cat like creature.!
Must not call it saberthooth.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:24 am

Maybe not a sabertooth but just a tiger/panther. But not a unicorn. I don't like look of unicorn.

That exact image looks too human and too heavy. Even more heavy than human imperial knight. But protector has lighter armor and no shield if compare with sentinel.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Lynx Shafir » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:39 pm

Working on img ;)
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:40 am

How's about this, @Lynx Shafir you take the name you suggested for the sabertooths fantasy variant and make it somewhat like this (ignore the orc. This was what the first idea was based on, it is a swog.)
Image

Now we could make a new elf sentinel based on some of the thoughts on how the cavalry works.
Since cats specialize in ambush but technically aren't tamable.
I have 3 options:
1. We take it away from sentinels and make it a elite elven cavalry that has ambush abilities.
2. We take elves specialty and make this a mounted archer, the cat may not maneuver as well as a unicorn but it's quiet and can get into places that horses can't making for a good archer mount.
3. We make it an elven captain, giving the impression that they are hard to tame and only the best can get them, e.g. Captain's. We give it less movement then the unicorn but that's only to make the Protector still worth getting besides as an anti cavalry.

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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:42 am

Lynx Shafir wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:21 am
godOfKings wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:13 am
Savra wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:08 am
except recent actions may have made it stand out more on topics so I guess it's now a warning that I'm on it. :lol:
My unread posts were filled with Ur fights with other players over wat should b elven mount so I just said wat u need to do to persuade others to accept unicorn, that's all :)
*that will be a tough fight
At the end u will join the dark side. *
"From DQ with love"


As for unicorn img

This is too human stile.
Full cover on horse, hardly seeing what's it.
Concept must fit the light armor, dodged attacks.

The team colour on robe is better looking.

DOESN'T need shield!!

And preferably holding that weapon lower.
In the hand we see.
It's not a Lance.

Still prefer a cat like creature.!
Must not call it saberthooth.
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:32 am

I want that kitty still for sentinel, not a horse/unicorn.

Alas panther is planned for new moon elves in several variants (and new moon elves' one of specialisations is ambushes).
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Re: Sentinel expansion

Post by Savra » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:36 am

How this looks heavier then the imperial knight I am guessing is due to the combination of shield, cape, and steeds armour I take it. Without shield we would be left with a lighter armoured cav who doesn't fit the 3/3 armour no matter the choice between unicorn or cat (except if the animal has natural tough skin or something, the big cats don't have that except were caragors are concerned but they have a little something that sets them apart from regular cats like the wargs have over normal wolves.) If this group gets cats then their has to be a back story included into how they got them, tigers would be most preferred over sabertooths because they are in the same terrain limits as elves, Panthers seem more moon elf style.

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