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that is not good, it will be a never-ending-uncontrolled-spawning-swarming super op megastar

what about a longer cooldown or with vanishing?

It's not that bad actually. It's similar to gravedigger

A gravedigger can effectively summon one unit of normal strength every 3 turns, including cavalry. Wolf den would summon a weaker unit every 3 turns. I don't think it would be that overpowered, honestly.

how can a gravedigger summon?

It makes a random corpse, which can be raised by anything with raise dead.

yes but that caster is an other fragile unit to protect. so that is not the "same"

One lich has 9 range, and can provide for many grave diggers from safely inside your base. Spectral knight is far more durable, and can also provide that service. Necromancers can do that, or make it into a powerful flesh golem. All from a safe location.

If you prefer, we could make wolf dens more fragile for a better comparison.

I think I understand Daniel's point since, unlike undead units, you can build that and are not limited by the common production. However we might try a different approach here. What about summoning a wolf every turn with cooldown 2? So the building fills the role of a tower (instead of an arrow you fire a wolf xD)

Hmm. Probably the simplest way to work this is just to duplicate the druid's summon ability. Vanishing 3 on the wolves, no cooldown. Same​ spell we already use. As a worker built structure​, with carry capacity and decent hp, it is very much worth building, and won't give permanent units. Pretty much, as Alexander said, it fires wolves instead of arrows.

If we are going to add a unit that utilizes spam as its main tool, how about nerfing wolves to drop corpses? (If they don't already) This way the undead could utilize this and turn spamming against the elven race. I believe undeads are supposed to be stronger or at least equal to elves.

I'd agree, though it should drop a dog corpse, not a human one. we've been over animal corpses before, so it's not much of a stretch to do.

which is the finalized stat? or is it still discussed?

Samurai suggested to make a "tower" that can cast the same spell of the druid with the same cooldown and vanishing

ok, that sounds ok, do we want that many wolves?

Samurai probably wants them XD

Probably the main reason is that it would be the first elven standalone tower since they only have parapets that can lodge 4 elves but can't really do anything else if you don't put some units inside.

Lol pretty much why I want them. Orcs and humans have very useful towers, even without troops to back them up. Undead towers....are the troops I suppose. It's roundabout, but they can defend a base without troops if needed. Elves....both their towers are useless without someone inside. This would be a standalone, capable of defending a base with little to no help if need be. Outposts and parapets would still have their place, while this filled a very different role.

I've made an image. I hope this should blend well on wood tiles

We only need this one to add the proposal to the vote list

My jaw just hit the floor. Hard.
That is epic. Alexander, keep it up, I love your art.

Thanks a lot

I still think elf archery needs to be made in similar style, but that's another topic. Is this ready to vote?

Yes if you like the art. I'll update the topic later.

I've made final stats.



Wolf den

Stats:

Cost 5, built in forest or plains
30 life
0 armor
5 pierce armor
Garrisons 1
Special: cast summon wolf as a druid inside the building

Looks great. I expect it will win the next elf vote at this point.

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