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(Defender) Upgrade for the shielder - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:30 am
by Alexander82
I was thinking of an upgrade for the shielder.
It should just be a slow but anti-ranged infantry unit

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:41 pm
by COOLguy
+1
(But I don't think the name is very good :P )

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:58 pm
by Alexander82
Yep. It was just a try. I'm open to suggestions :D

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:41 pm
by Darkknight
What about Hoplites

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:59 pm
by ejm29
Good idea! It shielders are very unused right now.
I think "hoplites" may cause confusion. :)

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:12 pm
by Endru1241
Maybe "Defender"

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:17 pm
by Alexander82
Daniel can you move the topic in the infantry section? My mistake ;)

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:57 pm
by Alexander82
Stats:
Hp: 26
attack: 9
Armor: 2
Pierce armor: 6
Speed: 3
Sight: 4
I also would raise the base shielder speed to 3. It is also weaker than a normal swordman isn't it?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:42 am
by COOLguy
No. It is balanced to the swordman now. If his speed were 3, he would be way stronger than the swordman.

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:36 am
by Alexander82
Even with reduced attack?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:48 pm
by COOLguy
If his attack was much lower than the swordman's he would be useless. Remember, he has waaaay more armor than the swordman and costs the same.

The reason he was slower, is because he has more armor to weigh him down. :)

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:20 pm
by Alexander82
then similar attack, more armor and slower movement?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:46 pm
by Darkknight
Alexander82 wrote:then similar attack, more armor and slower movement?
Only similar attack and more armorm Slower movement will make it useless. One of the reason why people dont use shielders are because they are slow. Making them slowing will make them useless.

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:01 pm
by Alexander82
That's true, they should get much more armor and hp to become at least "guardians" for tcs

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:33 pm
by COOLguy
That sounds good.

What should the name be?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:36 pm
by HokanPL
Defender?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:03 pm
by Alexander82
Good. By seeing that also the halberdier is having a 2nd upgrade i'm thinking that we might do a

Shielder->Defender->Guardian

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:12 pm
by Alexander82
how's that?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:25 pm
by COOLguy
Looks pretty good. I think though the Guardian will be undefeatable. Most units will only to put max 3 damage on him which will allow him to take like 10 hits. :) We should put the normal armor to 2 for the Defender and then 3 or 4.

Let's start with planning the Defender before we go to the Guardian. Do you have an image idea for him? I was thinking like using the broadswordsman as a base with a slightly larger version of the shielder's shield.

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:33 pm
by HokanPL
Endru1241 wrote:Maybe "Defender"
Sorry, Endru, I didn't read your post and I have proposed "Defender" one more time :P

As you all can see, this is perfect name! :lol:

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:04 am
by Alexander82
I think that we might just add the shielder's shield to current units and see how it looks

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:29 pm
by COOLguy
HokanPL wrote:
Endru1241 wrote:Maybe "Defender"
Sorry, Endru, I didn't read your post and I have proposed "Defender" one more time :P

As you all can see, this is perfect name! :lol:
Lol :D
Alexander82 wrote:I think that we might just add the shielder's shield to current units and see how it looks
Good idea!

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:43 pm
by Alexander82
Done, i also uploaded the original shielder image for a comparison

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:45 pm
by Alexander82
Stats
shielder progression.jpg
shielder progression.jpg (14.51 KiB) Viewed 6641 times
Also in these versions shield is slightly higher
I prefer the previous versions, but this is more similar to the original position, i think.

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:18 pm
by Darkknight
The images looks nice but i think it will look better if they had thiner swords. They currently look like they have a high attack because of thier swords

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:26 pm
by Alexander82
These are the original blades of the units, moreover the units have just -2 attack compared to their counterparts

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:14 pm
by RiverRaider 1097
Awesome units guys )

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:31 am
by COOLguy
Great images!
Darkknight wrote:The images looks nice but i think it will look better if they had thiner swords. They currently look like they have a high attack because of thier swords
That may be right, in that they are very dissimilar to the ones used by the Shielders. Could you try editing the swords? Maybe change the hilt to be like the original shielder's? Or thin the tip of the blade?

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:39 am
by Alexander82
That wouldn't be a great problem, i can just paste that one on it, i just thought it was pointless.

The first shielder is basically a swordman unit with a big shield and defender/guardian are just the shielded version of broadswordman and man at arms, i think they are better with the original weapon. If you still think i should make some with thinner sword i'll make you tomorrow.

Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:44 am
by TheBluePhoenix
I feel that the soldier in shielder is parallel to the shield while the defender/gaurdian are both slightly in a different orientation . I feel due to this they look a bit wierd